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Creating defensive perimeters SHOULD be a valid strategy in any kind of defense.

There should be tools to circumvent those - and there ARE already in the whole covops/recon/blackops lineup.
It would sharpen the profile of those ships, not a bad thing actually.

Its my biggest fear CCP will make the same mistakes again.

Nope.. you just need to watch the warnign that EVERYONE in system will receive if someone starts anything!. So you need to babysit NOTHING! You jsut need to have people in systems.

Systems where you have no people during your prime time are systems that you do not deserve to keep without extra " non fun effort". Adjust your demographics or face that some zones will be purged.

But the answer is " for the same reason they live now"... just to be able to brag about it.... nothing else...

It is not fully CCPs fault, we play a part in how we use the moon income. It is a difficult proposition to resolve - if we deleted moons tomorrow and rolled the income into (for the sakes of picking SOMETHING for this sentence) bounties - what point is there it POS any more? Greatly diminished value.

I fear a lot of people look at null anoms and compare it to high sec missioning in isolation - which is fine and dandy except that there are other sources of income in that space which cannot be ignored in the holistic view - income levels high cannot get anywhere near to.

So - it sucks for line people trying to live out there (less the generous SRP programs, which people never really consider the savings this presents as "income"). I wonder how perceptions would change if the bloc leaders changed things and said "ok, no more SPR - ever. Instead you'll be paid X per month from moon incomes".

It is a very complicated issue - my point was mainly people usually oversimplify it or look at too narrow a focus distorting the image of the entire income of null sec which is something we can't really do.

Anyway, enough derailing from me on this topic

I would suggest more of a trade-off approach, rather than punish, punish, punish. Give players the choice of widening the window if they feel they can handle it, in return for benefits to doing so - say match the amount of Prime-time "stretch", with a commesurate stretching of capture time (For example, say a system would be a 10 minute capture against an Alliance with a 4-hour window, make it so having a 6 hour window means the same capture would take 15 minutes, 20 for a 8 hour window, 30 for a 12 hour, etc). Obviously, there would need to be a ceiling to this (to prevent Alliances making ludicrous capture times through advancing their indices to the max, then opening up for 24 hours to ramp any capture into a multi-hour torture), or more likely make it a case of diminishing returns.

I know the immediate knee-jerk reaction will be that I'm attempting to make life easier for the defender, but consider two same-sized alliances, one purely EU timezone, and one 50/50 split between EU and US (or EU and RUS, or US east coast/west coast). At present, the "pure" time-zone alliance has it easier, as their players are concentrated in their Prime, while the mixed alliance has in reality only got half the population to respond in their Prime, so are more likely to burn that segment out, and be unable to respond as swiftly to threats. By being allowed to stretch their Prime, they make up for the smaller population in any given segment of time by having more time to respond to a threat, and hence making lightening raids less stressful.

This is how things could escalate in nullsec.

Ever heard of jump fatigue ?

In wormhole we don't have 20 jumps range intel. We have J or J+1 max. But we take the risk to engage anyway.

Seems you are scared to risk some ships to defend yourself it is really annoying.

There must be a wide enough minimal time.

But prizes on the system enconomic troughput coudl be given.

Example: standard 4 hours prime.... standard economy. 3 hours prime (I would put this at the VERY VERY minimum) -33% income. 8 hours prime- 50% extra income.

It's automatically taken for given that the systems with bad truesec rating are not worth living in which I dont agree with. Some of it is definitely worth to hold for smaller groups, but today it serves either as renter space, buffer and/or epeen factor. Maybe ccp will define the fitting requirements for the entosis module so the trollceptor becomes reality. I dont think thats a good idea but I will make use of it. Its a great conflict driver. The first few times the small group of people I fly with will be blobbed when we do that to larger groups, but for the large alliances and coalitions that novelty will quickly go away. After a few weeks of such messages they will be treated like highsec wardecs for these alliances, something they cannot be bothered to respond to. Which is how most of them respond to roams into their mostly empty territory today.

We smaller groups would have to respond and that means we would get visitors because there is content to be had. Much prefer that to someone afk cloaky camping the area I live in, since so many of eve's risk averse and min/maxing players won't take the chance to run anomalies or mine when someone sits in their system. Campers and grieferroams is a chance for pvp by whoever lives there, which is a great thing. Newer groups will learn much more from this than the veteran who only get a miniscule more knowledge and personal skills.

Bombers have great dps and are good small scale alternatives to shooting structures but its really really boring. Shortening of cycles and more possibilities to force conflict is exactly what this game needs. Then ccp needs to develop nullsec income generation somewhat, but its possible for someone to live in null and have other revenue streams than anomalies, exploration, moon mining and mining. Be it highsec missionrunning on alts, market pvp or production. Even stocking local markets and not gouging other players are viable alternatives.

Cloackign is already not allowed since you CANNOT LOCK ANYTHING WHILE CLOACKED!!!


No need for the other changes. IF the cycle does not end when the ship get out of range and jsut FAILS at its effect at its end, its enough.