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Everyone complaining about prime time is missing the entire point of prime time and this change to sov.

This entire mechanic exists to give the defenders a compelling reason to undock and engage you when you bring your fleets through. The WHOLE REASON it's built this way is so that roaming skirmish subcap fleets will now pose a very real threat to expensive sov infrastructure (IHUBS & stations in particular). You want fights? You take 30 cruisers into your neighbor's space and start reinforcing things until they undock a fleet and give you a fight. They can no longer just turtle up and ignore you unless they are willing to let all their sov burn. At BEST they can ignore you today, but definitely not when you come back for the constellation contest.

Being able to do this outside of their TZ defeats the entire purpose. The whole point is to give a reason for defenders to HAVE to engage subcap fleets. If you just roam through their space off-hours and start flipping things when no-one is around, it does nothing to provoke fights. The idea is to make sov harassment/warfare a permanent, daily thing that is used to provoke "gudfites".

The actual process of intentionally taking sov to hold and keep will be as rare as ever, and that's the ONLY time being able to start a timer off-TZ would be strategically useful. And frankly, it adds practically nothing to that particular use case to be able to start the initial timer off the defensive TZ. Either you bring a fleet large enough to win grid control today, or you do it two days later when the constellation contest starts; either way you aren't getting out of a fleet fight in that TZ if you actually want that sov for yourself. Forcing the initial flip into that TZ too is a tiny fraction of the effort you will be putting into these REAL sov battles.

Hordes of ceptors / frigs will burn trough each region just to anoy the living **** ouf of the sov holders.

Having sov is already a pain and 90% of each region is already bad living in, only a handfull of systems are considered good in a whole region.

To defend your space from attackers you have to make alot of effort and there is no slacking to be done here for the defender or they lose their space and their indexes.
Hope people are going to enjoy their CTA's to chase down fast frigs and ceptors days and weeks and months without pause.

Sov warfare should be a serious undertaking, not a copy paste from FW with a few gimmicks attached to it.
Not a lone 1 million ship who can flip a system, this isnt some kiddy garden crap CCP.....come on

What about all those guys who trained years for their supers and titans ? they get reimbursed ?
What is the reason for these vessels to stay subbed ?

i can already tell that most capital pilots will unsub and it wont take long before the folks who own SOV get fed up with all the CTA's around the clock to say enough is enough.


What Nullsec needs is CONFLICT, less structure grinding and more PEWPEW without the need to bash billions of HP.
A system needs to support more people as right now if you have more then 7 people ratting in system you bumb into each other and steal each others hubs.

I can make better isk in incursions in HISEC ! a delicious 150mil per hour ! risk free ! no CTA's ! just plain liquid 150 million per hour isk without all the hassle that SOV takes from me.
This has to change, i mean seriously.....


If you going to revamp sov mechenics then dont do it this way...
Design a special ship that needs to equip the Estosis or let only Command Ships do this so at least there is a purpose to use these useless vessels again.

I cannot express how this new sov mechenics are going to be anoying and drive tons of people back to low / hisec instead of pulling them out of those regions and be part of nullsec.

Sov battles need to contain risk and stuff on the line, sov needs to be high end game design were you can be proud to own sov and if you want to take it you drop your balls on the table or gtfo.

Please ccp.....Not like this....

Except for those who get SRP.

I was going to quote parts of your post, but it's entirely spot on! Rather than making sov desirable these changes would make it the biggest headache in game.

The thing is, it's not that hard to fix. It's not like it's entirely terrible. Many concur with the goals of the changes, it just misses the target by making contesting sov so easy that it's not about making a home for your alliance in nullsec anymore, but about a tedious back and forth where nobody will be interested in being the actual sov holder and defender very soon.

I think what those moon values shows is that Dyspro needs to be more common. The region I live in has about half a dozen Thuliums, not a single Dyspro or Neo moon.

Moving moon mining away from POS's would remove the last combative POS content, but it would probably be for the best. Maybe make it scannable like gas.

Oh I'm fully aware of this, I just needed a rough figure to bounce around when people are saying that nullsec is so poor at the moment. I mean the 4T across the whole of New Eden is a definite lowball estimate if you check the coverage percentages on dotlan as well. I'm not saying it's all going into Mittens pockets directly buuuut I'm also quite sure he doesn't do much afktar-ing either when he needs a new ship to whelp.

As I say, it's top down income - would be far more interesting to have industry guys actively mining that stuff and have a bottom up process.

First, yes, I forgot a neut on.
Secondly, after bringing that capstable nonsense fit, do you still talk?
The facts doesn't change - you will not clear a haven in this. This is a trollfit and it's silly how sensitive you are to calling a problem a problem.

If this fit is your "counter", then please stop embarrassing yourself. Not only you will lose it, you are better off in throwaway vexor than in this.

As I asked your troll butt a few times before, which system do you fly this pathetic sausage in? I'm willing to educate you that you're never going to survive a hotdrop. The fact you lied and went full stupid with claiming that this misfit could clear haven is obvious to anyone anyway.

please tell us how alliance finances are run

I'll just hazard a guess that those R64 POS are complete deathstars set to shoot on sight absolutely everyone and only 2 people ever have the password... if it's not like that then you're probably doing something wrong...

amirite?

Damn, I could used an extra 10 million isk, grrr.



Exactly


But your post illustrates something that is important here. Ideally, renters would 'rise up' against their 'masters' and throw the bums out. That would make for exciting game play. But that is the thinking of an 'ideal person' . No such person exists. Real humans are messy.

REAL people say they want exciting game play, but they end up seeking comfort and convenience. Many an alliance fell because it's pilots left the game or stayed in the game and went 'carebear'. It's another one of those human nature things, and why this new sov system and this discussion in general wil probably not have the desired results:

http://uxmyths.com/post/746610684/myth-21-people-can-tell-you-what-they-want



When someone asks us what we want (or what gameplay we think would be fun) we always say shooting and conflict. Give the average EVE player what he says he wants and watch them end up not wanting it lol.

Many a renter talks a good game about what they would do if they didn't have to worry about super caps dropping on them, but they will keep renting because they really want comfort and for someone else to move that damn IHUB.