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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

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Marusja Ogoniok
Fellowship of the Black Arrow
#621 - 2012-02-26 16:46:14 UTC
Some discussions about human society and human behaviour and morale and other boring stuff last for 2000 years already. So I think this thread is awfully young.

I will try to make my point clear

@OP and the other gankers:

Perfectly fine if you want to press ISK out of the miners, if you want to see them cry and whine, if you do it because you're just bored. If you think you are an evil dude who really kicks ass, wonderfull. Or some sort of dark hero, reveling about the path of destruction on your trails. Or if you want to influence prices, contro, the market.

Thats all fine with me, it are your intrinsic motivations, who am I to judge those.

Just ONE thing!

Do me the favor and do not make stuff up about how miners are disgraceful "SUBHUMANS". Stop telling us that you RIGHTFULLY HATE miners. Who do you think you are that you can judge over me and waht I do in Eve? Spare me from any idiotic explanations that try to make your actions look honorable, justified and a duty. or I will have to assume that deep inside you are bad-conscioused and feel guilty or are just envious about miners. Why else would you otherwise bother with making up a whole ideology of why to gank miners?

Ask yourself - why do you have to act like as if you were a stupid redneck and as if I was black, indian, jewish or had a funny religion?

Can't you just gank me for the fun of my tears and let me call you a jerk in reply? Is that not enough? Do you have to get all fascist about it?

I dare not ask about your view of the real world, it scares me...




As for this, dear Jhagiti Tyran :

Quote:

As for the OP propagating hate and defamation at real life people you should go back and re-read it, either you didn't get or those words don't mean what you think they mean.

All he decried was the general play style. Not anywhere did he single out an individual with hateful comments, neither did the OP target anybody with slander.




I think it is difficult to misinterprete this:

Quote:
That's the fundamental difference between the highsec miner and the suicide ganker. The gankers are human. The miners are bots. The miners are quite literally less than human. They deserve to be wiped out, every last one of them. To the extent that they still feel anything, it should only be fear, humiliation, and misery.


So I am subhuman...

Or this:

Quote:
A highsec miner is fundamentally going to inspire disgust. What they think, the way they feel about things, their attitudes, beliefs, all of it.

Everyone knows that a highsec miner is motivated by greed. And not just a desire to gain, which could equally be attributed to the conquerors of nullsec, but a particular kind of senseless, materialistic greed.


So I am greedy (tahts e.g. the most popular accusation of the antisemites)

Or this:

Quote:
Not only is the highsec miner incapable of feeling anything, he's also incapable of valuing anything.


So I am a psychopath...

...
Marusja Ogoniok
Fellowship of the Black Arrow
#622 - 2012-02-26 16:46:34 UTC
Or this:

Quote:
Then there are the highsec miners. They don't believe in anything or anyone.


So I am a nihilist...

Quote:
It's like I said, highsec miners and bots are one and the same.


Once again - I cannot be human...

Quote:
They should all either change their views or quit Eve.


So I am in need of reeducation...

Quote:
If highsec miners were capable of rational thought, they would have no difficulty understanding why they are universally reviled. Anyone should automatically recognize that everything about highsec mining is antithetical to the spirit of Eve.


So I am unable of rational thinking, unethical and I harm Eve...


But clearly - I did misunderstand all of this...
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#623 - 2012-02-26 17:21:14 UTC
Lets face it, most high sec miners are new players and OPs , lol, manifesto, is just BS Self Justification for farming new players.

Grow a pair, seriously.

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Miranda Etxebarria
Transgalactic Imports and Exports
#624 - 2012-02-26 17:26:32 UTC
I think destroying miners is pretty harsh. Why don't we just round them all up, and put them in two or three closed systems somewhere in the eastern regions of New Eden? There they will be given a limited number of asteroids to mine indefinitely. Obviously, for their own safety, these systems will have to be heavily guarded, thus creating a bunch of new mini-professions: mining camp guard, for example, or logistics directors, who will be responsible for the transport of miners to the new colonies.
Ettu Brute II
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#625 - 2012-02-26 17:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ettu Brute II
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:
I think destroying miners is pretty harsh. Why don't we just round them all up, and put them in two or three closed systems somewhere in the eastern regions of New Eden? There they will be given a limited number of asteroids to mine indefinitely. Obviously, for their own safety, these systems will have to be heavily guarded, thus creating a bunch of new mini-professions: mining camp guard, for example, or logistics directors, who will be responsible for the transport of miners to the new colonies.

Presumably with the gates clearly marked 'ARBEIT MACHT FREI'.
Cheraden
Pikeys Anonymous
#626 - 2012-02-26 18:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cheraden
Whats really Ironic is that he wrote all that while Mining Veldspar
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#627 - 2012-02-26 19:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Ettu Brute II wrote:
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:
I think destroying miners is pretty harsh. Why don't we just round them all up, and put them in two or three closed systems somewhere in the eastern regions of New Eden? There they will be given a limited number of asteroids to mine indefinitely. Obviously, for their own safety, these systems will have to be heavily guarded, thus creating a bunch of new mini-professions: mining camp guard, for example, or logistics directors, who will be responsible for the transport of miners to the new colonies.

Presumably with the gates clearly marked 'ARBEIT MACHT FREI'.


Good ideas indeed! Maybe we could also use some of these miners as subjects for genetic experimentation for the benefit of our own superior race. I could especially use twin miners as test subjects.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Serene Repose
#628 - 2012-02-26 19:22:32 UTC
The Good Taste and Discretion Fairy visited me last night and specifically requested that this thread die, and soon, or you can all kiss good-bye any hopes of paying off your credit cards in this lifetime.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Varde Nor
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#629 - 2012-02-26 20:21:09 UTC
Fun read till page 7. Then you went too far making it boring.
Lots of issues in your head and you certainly need stronger drugs.
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#630 - 2012-02-26 22:45:41 UTC
James 315 wrote:
I asked if anyone else was willing ......

lot lot lot lot lot ...

..... of text

* * * (Proceed to section 8.) * * *





That doesn’t look like missionary work for world peace.
You are killing miners (or anyone else) because you want to ....
That's it. The end.

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#631 - 2012-02-26 22:48:27 UTC
Cheraden wrote:
Whats really Ironic is that he wrote all that while Mining Veldspar

Oh dear. Couldn't he at least go mine some

CALDARI ICE?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#632 - 2012-02-27 03:03:39 UTC
Marusja Ogoniok wrote:
Or this:

Quote:
Then there are the highsec miners. They don't believe in anything or anyone.


So I am a nihilist...

Quote:
It's like I said, highsec miners and bots are one and the same.


Once again - I cannot be human...

Quote:
They should all either change their views or quit Eve.


So I am in need of reeducation...

Quote:
If highsec miners were capable of rational thought, they would have no difficulty understanding why they are universally reviled. Anyone should automatically recognize that everything about highsec mining is antithetical to the spirit of Eve.


So I am unable of rational thinking, unethical and I harm Eve...


But clearly - I did misunderstand all of this...


Oh well that's all different I guess, it must really be a traumatic experience for you somebody saying such mean things. I'm so, so sorry. Maybe you should go and see your GP, he can get you some counselling.

Until then though I wish you a speedy recovery.
Researcher123
Drunk Tank
#633 - 2012-02-27 06:32:03 UTC
again

WOWShocked

I wonder if there is a bot for suicide ganking Lol
Edwin Atavuli
Edwin Atavuli's Tax Umbrella
#634 - 2012-02-27 22:56:23 UTC
@ OP>>>>

you sir are nucking futs.



end message.
Cain Blazed
Doomheim
#635 - 2012-02-28 19:10:25 UTC
Does this affect market at all?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#636 - 2012-02-28 19:17:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Cain Blazed wrote:
Does this affect market at all?


Suicide ganking ironically adds value to the mining profession as a whole.

Even with drone goo, minerals still have to come from somewhere.

For every miner who gets blown up by a suicide ganker there's at least two ships no longer in the database, creating increased demand for both the ships that were lost and inevitably the minerals to make them.

This means more ISK per unit of mineral.

The interesting correlary of this is that as more highsec-only AFK miners quit EVE or start a new profession, the more valuable the drone loot and other lowsec, wsec, and nullsec minerals are to the ones who are playing the game for higher stakes.

So you see, it's not just "EBIL".

It makes economic sense to cull the herd. And if you happen to have eyes on the side of your head instead of the front?

Baaaah...

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Ryker Struvian
Doomheim
#637 - 2012-02-29 02:49:37 UTC
This manifesto reads like a mass murderer's. It's a terrible attempt at justification for activities which are considered against the norm. As someone else mentioned, most highsec miners, if they are not bots, are just people who do not want to deal with low/nullsec life yet still be able to make money. If that is how they want to play their game, more power to them.

At least they don't try to justify themselves with a losing argument.
Edwin Atavuli
Edwin Atavuli's Tax Umbrella
#638 - 2012-02-29 03:34:32 UTC
Iv'e been playing eve for almost 3 months.... And ill come right out and say that as of now i consider myself more of a miner than anything else.

i have a pretty wide spread of diff skill points, wich are more focused on mining, eventually into a hulk , then one day an orca.

and i do not afk mine, have i see the afk miners? while making my isk by mining? you betcha! do i bother them? nope, even though i could bump em around for a bit of fun, even kill them if i wanted.

but i dont the way i look at it is there are so many asteroids & belts that in the end it's really not going to affect me and my wallet.

i dont do a lot of pvp at the moment this is true. will i eventually? yep plan on it. i do not understand the OP's outlook on things. i mine in hi sec and lo sec space. do i go to 0.0 space? nope. did i before i knew what 0.0 sec space acctually meant? yep

only took me loosing a fully fitted retriever a cppl of times to know my place..

and i do more than mine yes i run missions also to break the boredom... am i bad at pvp? yea kinda? not the greatest i suppose...

now ask me how i can squeez every stinking isk out of space rocks im you man.

i just know my place for now and thats mining.. and it's amassed me decent isk plus items in game... thanks to mining i have 4 different rifters, retriever, i also have a hurricane just not all the skills necessary to half ass operate it at the moment, i have a rupture. ive cross trained for the drake, plus mining nets me all this isk to buy ships ,skill,fittings and what not.... one look at my wallet / api would show in fact that i dont just farm isk just to watch my isk pile up..... even though i kinda thought that was the point? i contribute back to the community and other player by buying goods from them. therefore continuing the circle... is there problems with afk mining bots??/ well yea of course... but that kinda stuff is in everygame everywhere ya go... all miners are not bots some are acctually hard working and honest we get a raw deal due to others who abuse the system.
Dasquirrel715
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#639 - 2012-02-29 05:13:48 UTC
TL;DR WALL OF TEXT
Whiskey Juvenile
State War Academy
Caldari State
#640 - 2012-02-29 06:01:03 UTC
Marusja Ogoniok wrote:
Some discussions about human society and human behaviour and morale and other boring stuff last for 2000 years already. So I think this thread is awfully young.

I will try to make my point clear

@OP and the other gankers:

Perfectly fine if you want to press ISK out of the miners, if you want to see them cry and whine, if you do it because you're just bored. If you think you are an evil dude who really kicks ass, wonderfull. Or some sort of dark hero, reveling about the path of destruction on your trails. Or if you want to influence prices, contro, the market.

Thats all fine with me, it are your intrinsic motivations, who am I to judge those.

Just ONE thing!

Do me the favor and do not make stuff up about how miners are disgraceful "SUBHUMANS". Stop telling us that you RIGHTFULLY HATE miners. Who do you think you are that you can judge over me and waht I do in Eve? Spare me from any idiotic explanations that try to make your actions look honorable, justified and a duty. or I will have to assume that deep inside you are bad-conscioused and feel guilty or are just envious about miners. Why else would you otherwise bother with making up a whole ideology of why to gank miners?

Ask yourself - why do you have to act like as if you were a stupid redneck and as if I was black, indian, jewish or had a funny religion?

Can't you just gank me for the fun of my tears and let me call you a jerk in reply? Is that not enough? Do you have to get all fascist about it?

I dare not ask about your view of the real world, it scares me...




As for this, dear Jhagiti Tyran :

Quote:

As for the OP propagating hate and defamation at real life people you should go back and re-read it, either you didn't get or those words don't mean what you think they mean.

All he decried was the general play style. Not anywhere did he single out an individual with hateful comments, neither did the OP target anybody with slander.




I think it is difficult to misinterprete this:

Quote:
That's the fundamental difference between the highsec miner and the suicide ganker. The gankers are human. The miners are bots. The miners are quite literally less than human. They deserve to be wiped out, every last one of them. To the extent that they still feel anything, it should only be fear, humiliation, and misery.


So I am subhuman...

Or this:

Quote:
A highsec miner is fundamentally going to inspire disgust. What they think, the way they feel about things, their attitudes, beliefs, all of it.

Everyone knows that a highsec miner is motivated by greed. And not just a desire to gain, which could equally be attributed to the conquerors of nullsec, but a particular kind of senseless, materialistic greed.


So I am greedy (tahts e.g. the most popular accusation of the antisemites)

Or this:

Quote:
Not only is the highsec miner incapable of feeling anything, he's also incapable of valuing anything.


So I am a psychopath...

...


Are you really taking this seriously? OP is almost word for word "Mein Kampf" with "high sec miner" replacing "the jew".