Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The game is already pay-to-sp and always has been. You don't grind NPCs nor solve puzzles nor win in PVP to get those SPs. You simply setup a queue and then pay subscription to make it happen. Those characters you are suggesting to buy are made exactly that way.

Pay-to-win would actually be a step up from what we have now, which can only be described as pay-to-wait. Nobody wants to pay for a game with time-gated content, unless of course they already have 50+ mil SP.

This is exactly why the only new characters I've seen in a while are suicidal scout and cyno alts. EVE has lots of great stuff in it, but its character progression is the worst I've seen anywhere else. It needs a complete revamp to sustain a healthy population of non-alts, but for now even a small stuff like SP remap or training boost would help.

No, you may not.

Well there are other options...

One thing I was thinking about is rewarding SPs for PVP. If you blow up another player's ship, you get a small amount of SP towards your skill currently in training.
The actual amount would depend on the relative value of the ship blown up versus ship(s) on the killmail. I.e. you get pretty much nothing from destroying rookie ships, while a t2 cruiser or a BS would give you a fair bit.
If you pod another player then the amount would be determined by the relative SP difference. Podding an old player could be quite lucrative, while killing a newbie would grant almost nothing.

In both cases the victim would be a subject to diminishing returns. Alternatively, victim could lose the same amount of SP if diminishing returns is not enough to deal with abuse.

A notable side effect: Invigorated PVP.

Side effect 2: ships blowing up more = outflow of excess ISK


I mean this isn't anything new. It is pretty much how rewards system work in any PvP game worth the title.


Thoughts?

Its as bad or worse than any other idea for short cutting the current system which is reasonably fair, no one as far as I've ever heard has been able to gain an advantage from it. Even implants, which anyone with the in-game cash can buy, are not a massive advantage in training time (and they are at least risked in-game) and the system is the same for everyone as long as they can afford to subscribe or plex the account they want to train.

As far as I can see many of those proposing skill purchase and remaps basically can't get there heads round the fact they can't have everything NOW and are willing to wreck a fundamental part of the game for the sake of short term gratification and an inability to live with the consequences of their decisions like the rest of us have.

Perhaps you should've read the stuff you replaced with "..."



Wow, you people just can't read...

Buying sp sounds like the worst idea for Eve, ever. I'd just quit if it became a pay to win, and take my accounts with me.

Remapping of trained SP though... I'd pay $100 to remap all my wasted leadership skills, since grid boosting is rarely used in my line of work.

Losing SP at death would only drive away a lot of the more casual players. Sure it would work out for elite pvpers who know what they're doing, but for every winner there is a loser and players who die a lot would just see their SP keep going backwards. For them it would be worse than what we have now.

I can't actually think of a proposal that wouldn't do more to encourage risk aversion and discourage PvP than this.

A large number of people won't PvP if they have dirt cheap +1 implants and cheap hardwires in half the time, what is losing those compared to the risk of SP loss?

Plus it would also make smart bombing Proteus pilots the highest SP and most common pilots in the game.

...and those who can't afford the remaps are at a much greater disadvantage to those that can.

Or forward, depending on your skill or luck... just like you know... every single competitive game out there.
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Eve isn't every game, why should it be like all the others?

No. EVE has a lot of great stuff, but its character progression is utter garbage. This thread is a testament to that.
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Actually it's testament to the fact that ISD got sick and tired of closing the threads that kept being opened without ever using the search function and replying into an existing thread.



New players 'never being able to match' old players is a complete fallacy. There are a limited number of skills used in any given hull/career and they all top out at level V. I am just as perfect an explorer skill wise as a character that's been here since eve started as we can both only max out exactly the same set of subskills. I caught up to the older player in around 6 months of training. Wasn't that hard to be patient about it either since I was busy with other things in the game too.

The older players also hotdrop people simply because they can and want to win. They can gank exactly the same way in hisec with minimal skilled cat pilots. SP is not a factor in killing people in a blopb, just the number of ships you drop in. Even the cyno alt in a hot drop is a minimum skilled alt most often...