Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Iam totaly in favor of buying SP with isk.

BUT ...!!!
Why have diminishing returns on the ammount of sp you will get past a certain number of existing SP the character had?
I don't understand this.

CCP says the sp on market will come exclusively from players, so having diminishing returns will, at some point lower the ammount of SP in game. I mean WHY? WHY? what is the point of destroying SP for good? They are not ISK wich can be generated easily and spent on items.

This looks very fishy and only implies that diminishing returns mean SP for isk will not come exclusively from players but will be also seeded by CCP on market.

The recent hiring of the Former EA marketing exec (http://www.develop-online.net/news/former-ea-marketing-exec-joins-ccp-games/0214589 ) also sounds very fishy.

If u do sp for isk, and you claim they will come only from players, get rid of diminishing returns. ( I mean why not have diminishing returns on everything player made? on isk and other things?) Most ******** thing i have ever heard in a game.

If u do sp for isk, and they will also be seeded by ccp out of thin air, then dear CCP , may EVE rest in peace.

So, you're obviously in favor of removing the Character Bazaar, and preventing players from buying with RL money high skilled characters. You're also in favor of not selling plex for ISK, so that players can buy ships, or other in game items. You're also not in favor of players using PLEX to ISK to higher merchs to help fight battles, or paying for market contracts, etc, etc,,

So the veterans are not running around with players with every skill literally maxed out. Most veterans have billions of ISK, some even trillions of ISK. This game is awash in ISK and much of it flows into the wallets of older players, not newer ones.

That is why.

Seriously, google is your friend. Go find out how much ISK enters the game every single day. Here is a hint, whatever number you think it is, you should probably multiply it by 10 at least. And this is per day.

There is an entry barrier. The alts need a certain threshold sp to be able to rip them out.

But beyond that....anyone and their dog can sp farm.

And there is a finite number of potential buyers.

Price equilibrium should be somewhere in the region of "meh, not worth it" when a player considers making a farm account.

Plex inflation is unlikely simply because CCP has started adding them to game as drops in the Frostline series. I imagine adding plexes will continue to control inflation.

Compounded by the service fee. In sum deflationary.

The actual interesting bit is how much isk might be drained from game if isk rich players decide to take a signficant sp loss and tank up on sps.

All told. Its like a Dean in Economics has been involved in EvE in the recent past :).

No. Just no. What the bloody hell has happened to your design philosophy? Sounds like some people need to be beaten with tomb's old bat. Also...hiring ea staff? Possibly the most terrifying thing i've heard abot ccp since eve was in beta. EA?! Are you serious? That's the videogame equivalent of saying 'yeah sure i'll share your needle....what could possibly go wrong?'

Yup. they should just allow this, get rid of attribute implants and make sp gains a flat 2500 per hour. That would promote healthy skill growth all around.

The negativity seems like bitter vets don't want the youngins to catch up, but in all honesty, the amount of isk a new player would need to catch up is pretty ridiculous.. while your still earning SP at the same time.

The proposed addition of SP buying is a slap in the face to the veteran players and is spitting on the years of skilling we spent accumulating those points.

Allowing a new player to buy SPs and skill up to 200 million and be at the same level as another player who has worked for 12 years to reach that level is a complete insult to the players who made this game what it is.

The fact that the SP comes from "other" players is irrelevant, because players will just create alts and farm SP on those alts. Nobody is going to sell points off a 200M SP character. They will just create 15 alts with PLEX, train them, then sell their SP. Rich newbs can then buy these farmed SP and unfairly and unjustly skill past players that took years to earn those points.

I would add that for many years there was no training queue so players had to log on frequently day after day to maintain their training. Now a player with money will be able to just zoom past veteran by buying SP off low level farmed clones.

Making EVE pay-to-win like this is a dumb strategy that will backfire and cause core players to lose interest in the game when they see their hard-earned SP become buyable by newbs.

If you think doing this will attract some magic demographic, you are so wrong. What demographic are you trying to attract by doing this? The spoiled-brat-who-pays-to-beat-a-game-in-3-months while he is on summer vacation and then quits? Is that your target demographic?

If you want to see what happens to pay to win games, just look at what is happening to Runes of Magic right now, complete implosion. Their fly-by-night playerbase got sick of buying "diamonds" to gem up and nobody plays the game anymore, for free or for pay.

If you want to make the restriction that injectors can only be used on characters of equal or lower total SP, then fine, it is no net change, but if you let SP from alts get added to high SP characters it will hurt the game and I will consider it a personal insult to the years of effort I have invested into the game as a 12-year-subscriber who was here at the beginning.

Well the prices of extractors just killed low SP character trading.

Which is ok I guess, because transfer fees are a thing and they don't get them.

The issue is that it will also kill multichar training long term and you get 7% less revenue there on top of more people trying to plex by plexing with isk, added by higher plex prices because of extractor use which long term gives you less plex bought by isk buyers (okay and more plex buyers because they can't plex with isk anymore, but also less subs there).

It's good old market canibalism mates.
Effects will be in full display in less than a year.

Don't forget the perceived paywall.
To give this the finishing blow, people think extractors are too expensive

Good luck with this CCP.

Thanks CCP Games for making it obvious this is a Pay more to Win at skill training time

source: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/news/2016/skilltrading/SkillTrading_01.jpg

Regards, a Freelancer

This thread should probably be archived and unstickied as it's no longer relevant.