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Skill Points remapping/buying™: Ideas, Discussion, and Proposals

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Lis Aivo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#621 - 2015-10-19 12:56:02 UTC
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I can recommend you some other popular MMo's played mostly by 13yo kids, where u can skill up faster and getting instant PVP.


I lol'ed so hard.

Why does skilling up faster does matter ? Pvp is the most competitive content you have in Eve. Its most fun for me. But i cant have it with without at least 2 years of training. Humiliating a game by skilling speed is funny tho.
Singur Augurao
Mohist Army
Mohist Alliance
#622 - 2015-10-19 13:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Singur Augurao
Lis Aivo wrote:
You dont even answer my question. Guess you dont have one. Not surprised at all. Can ask again tho

"What exactly elitism is?" What do you refer by it in Eve exactly ?

and to your question. I am just a guy in Eve community and i have right to want it be more healthy. But your mentality is not helping. I dont want Eve to be a game that a tool for people to boost their ego.


Edit: There are more happy people than salty ones. So doesnt matter how much of them are going to leave. It will be good update for newcomers. So overall its a win situation


I will tell you what is NOT elitism, then you can answer yourself the question.
Skilling up for 6,7,8-12 years only to see u'r work , pacience, and pride gone in minutes, well my friend that is just wrong.
And has nothing to do with the capitalism you were talking about earlier.
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#623 - 2015-10-19 13:19:29 UTC
Lis Aivo wrote:


@Don ZOLA

Please dont speak like you do care about game. Come on just come clear. You dont need to hide behind that cr*p argument. You just want to boost your ego to higher levels.

and guess what. CCP already showed that they dont have any intention to keep especially older "elite" players by that new SOV rebalance. They are just trying to figure out the way that actually bring more new players to Eve, thats it.

As long as there is new players coming to game its all good. CCP is a business, not an ego booster charity.


Go rage somewhere else, or read/understand side effects mentioned then providfe counter arguments. kktnxbye

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Lis Aivo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#624 - 2015-10-19 13:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lis Aivo
Singur Augurao wrote:
Lis Aivo wrote:
You dont even answer my question. Guess you dont have one. Not surprised at all. Can ask again tho

"What exactly elitism is?" What do you refer by it in Eve exactly ?

and to your question. I am just a guy in Eve community and i have right to want it be more healthy. But your mentality is not helping. I dont want Eve to be a game that a tool for people to boost their ego.


Edit: There are more happy people than salty ones. So doesnt matter how much of them are going to leave. It will be good update for newcomers. So overall its a win situation


I will tell you what is NOT elitism, then you can answer yourself the question.
Skilling up for 6,7,8-12 years only to see u'r work , pacience, and pride gone in minutes, well my friend that is just wrong.
And has nothing to do with the capitalism you were talking about earlier.



my friend, this a video game not real life. not sure if you have one but eve, since you care much of your "work". Plus, you have no right to limit peoples fun for the sake of your no-lifer goals.

Anyway @Don ZOLA, i tried to read whole thread from start but had to stop due to amount of narrow minded, selfish comments that nothing but "YES to REMAP NO BUYING SP. FCUK THE NEWBIES WHO CARES ANYWAY LOLOL"

I dont even see anyone come up with a better revised idea to help newbies. Just few stupid ideas which would only help players with high SP already. This pretty much sums of the general idea behind the people opposing the change.

I am having so hard time to understand why some newbie guy flying HAC or T3 would hurt you.
Singur Augurao
Mohist Army
Mohist Alliance
#625 - 2015-10-19 13:48:19 UTC
Lis Aivo wrote:



my friend, this a video game not real life. not sure if you have one but eve, since you care about much of your "work". Plus, you have no right to limit peoples fun for the sake of your no-lifer goals.



My convesation with you it's done! I'm sorry i lost valuable time typing stuff to you. You start to get nasty and i'll try not to come down to your "understanding" .
Lis Aivo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#626 - 2015-10-19 14:06:02 UTC
There is no personal conversation we are doing here. We are talking about facts. And you dont give me a solid reason why its a bad idea. Well you can stop posting tho. You are not going to win this discussion by just saying "No, this is againts my long term ego boost goals".

If you have any reasonable argument worth reading, please feel free to post. But please no more elitism :)
Thank you.
Singur Augurao
Mohist Army
Mohist Alliance
#627 - 2015-10-19 14:15:30 UTC
Lis Aivo wrote:
There is no personal conversation we are doing here. We are talking about facts. And you dont give me a solid reason why its a bad idea. Well you can stop posting tho. You are not going to win this discussion by just saying "No, this is againts my long term ego boost goals".

If you have any reasonable argument worth reading, please feel free to post. But please no more elitism :)
Thank you.


I'm not trying to "win " any conversation here. I tried to explain to you why this idea is wrong, but it seems that i talked to myself. No biggie!
Why don't you tell us u'r arguments in this matter, maybe our "amount of narrow minded, selfish comments that nothing but "YES to REMAP NO BUYING SP. FCUK THE NEWBIES WHO CARES ANYWAY LOLOL" are indeed no good for CCP.

Frankly you seem to me like an ex (or actual) WoT player used to talk to people like in that community. Waiting for your reply regarding your solution in this matter.
Lis Aivo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#628 - 2015-10-19 14:25:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lis Aivo
You dont explain anything except keep saying that this damages your elitism. And I told you already no one gives a sh*t about elitism. I thought we passed that stage. So i am typing again in case you didnt understand which seems like you didnt;

Please only post if its worth reading. no more elitism sh*t please. Come up with the better idea to solve the current problem we have here. Then we talk.
Singur Augurao
Mohist Army
Mohist Alliance
#629 - 2015-10-19 14:32:05 UTC
Just explained to you earlier why i find this idea wrong . Get the word "elitist" out of u'r head and just read the f...ng text .
Meanwhile try to come with a solution yourself, anything will do, just say something constructive instead of offending people.

P.S: how old are you ?
Lis Aivo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#630 - 2015-10-19 14:47:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lis Aivo
i am not againts the idea so i dont have to come with solution. This is good enough. Might just need a little tweaks. Like limit the amount of sp you can inject at some point maybe.

Quote:
I as a newbie, if this is going to be done, i'll quit playing EVE. And u can't call me "selfish" because i can't be selfish having only 2.2 mil SPs. One of the reasons i play this game is the elitist part of it.


dont know what to say. Thats all you said and now you are keep telling me that you just explained. Also how old i am has nothing to do with the topic, not sure why are you asking anyway, however since i dont get any logical response from you, not surprised again.
Singur Augurao
Mohist Army
Mohist Alliance
#631 - 2015-10-19 15:03:55 UTC
Lis Aivo wrote:


dont know what to say. Thats all you said and now you are telling to you just explained...


Just read once again and maybe you will see more than that.
Anyway this is my last word to you as i'm certain that you and i can't reach any conclusion and we do not lead this thread to any good direction.
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#632 - 2015-10-19 15:13:05 UTC
Singur Augurao wrote:
Lis Aivo wrote:


dont know what to say. Thats all you said and now you are telling to you just explained...


Just read once again and maybe you will see more than that.
Anyway this is my last word to you as i'm certain that you and i can't reach any conclusion and we do not lead this thread to any good direction.


He is not able to comprehend what you or me are talking about. Just let him rage on :)

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#633 - 2015-10-19 15:15:09 UTC
Lis Aivo wrote:
Singur Augurao wrote:
Lis Aivo wrote:
You dont even answer my question. Guess you dont have one. Not surprised at all. Can ask again tho

"What exactly elitism is?" What do you refer by it in Eve exactly ?

and to your question. I am just a guy in Eve community and i have right to want it be more healthy. But your mentality is not helping. I dont want Eve to be a game that a tool for people to boost their ego.


Edit: There are more happy people than salty ones. So doesnt matter how much of them are going to leave. It will be good update for newcomers. So overall its a win situation


I will tell you what is NOT elitism, then you can answer yourself the question.
Skilling up for 6,7,8-12 years only to see u'r work , pacience, and pride gone in minutes, well my friend that is just wrong.
And has nothing to do with the capitalism you were talking about earlier.


I am having so hard time to understand .


I see that . No worries, it is not that important, breath deeply and calm down, everything is going to be fine :)

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Lis Aivo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#634 - 2015-10-19 15:49:20 UTC
Yeah twist my posts. Keep trolling. I know everything is going for my way but i am not sorry for you lil elite guy :)
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#635 - 2015-10-19 15:51:31 UTC
Lis Aivo wrote:
Yeah twist my posts. Keep trolling. I know everything is going for my way but i am not sorry for you lil elite guy :)


I`ll be fine, don`t worry. You will never be able to overcome me in SP unless I quit and that makes me happy Blink

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#636 - 2015-10-19 16:03:06 UTC
I have removed a couple off-topic posts.

Quote:
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Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#637 - 2015-10-19 19:38:37 UTC
Lis Aivo wrote:
Quote:
I can recommend you some other popular MMo's played mostly by 13yo kids, where u can skill up faster and getting instant PVP.


I lol'ed so hard.

Why does skilling up faster does matter ? Pvp is the most competitive content you have in Eve. Its most fun for me. But i cant have it with without at least 2 years of training. Humiliating a game by skilling speed is funny tho.




this is your problem of perception.

a 5 month old can roam in null with a couple buddy's the same ago and do very well.


With this new SP packs its not going to help the perception just make it worst. It wont be well bring a ewar frig or something small to the cruiser roam it will be just bring what we want and if you cant fly that well just go get skill packs off the market.
Poranius Fisc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#638 - 2015-10-19 19:38:52 UTC
Keras Authion wrote:
Posting the Tippia's copypasta for why buying or remapping skillpoints is bad

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.

Edit: Here's the old microtransactions vote thread from late 2010, made after the SP reallocation hit the sisi and there was plans for plex for remaps. Note the vote distribution.

Actually, this mostly benefits newer characters.

While it might give a sp bonus, it doesn't give an in-game bonus on how to put your new skills/associated modules to use.

The dimishing return on older characters seems suitable.. but when your over 80 million sp... I'm not even going to notice when these hit Jita.

However, this is going to open up more roamers and more ships to wreck from inexperienced pilots stepping into bigger ships :D.

Sacrifice to Bob through the killboards!
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#639 - 2015-10-19 19:41:53 UTC
Poranius Fisc wrote:
Keras Authion wrote:
Posting the Tippia's copypasta for why buying or remapping skillpoints is bad

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.

Edit: Here's the old microtransactions vote thread from late 2010, made after the SP reallocation hit the sisi and there was plans for plex for remaps. Note the vote distribution.

Actually, this mostly benefits newer characters.

While it might give a sp bonus, it doesn't give an in-game bonus on how to put your new skills/associated modules to use.

The dimishing return on older characters seems suitable.. but when your over 80 million sp... I'm not even going to notice when these hit Jita.

However, this is going to open up more roamers and more ships to wreck from inexperienced pilots stepping into bigger ships :D.

Sacrifice to Bob through the killboards!



it will also shut more people out because now instead of waiting a couple days to fly something they will feel they have to buy the skill packs and if they are cheap enough for a real new player to afford than they will be cheap enough for the 80+ crowd to just use them willy nilly also.
Psianh Auvyander
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#640 - 2015-10-19 21:17:19 UTC
Here are my thoughts on the latest SP discussion. In summary, even if this does help new players (which I don't think that it will be), the impression given to the people it's aimed at will lead to disastrous results.

http://psianhauvyander.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-perception-of-skill-cost.html

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