Player Features and Ideas Discussion

scout sites require 3-4 people, run those while waiting to get into a more elitist fleet. be friendly and start your own vanguard/hq group.

Sorry but the moderation on these forums are getting silly, no wonder discussions are moving to other places.

Skill remaps suggestion have nothing to do with skill punt buying for example. Why not just create one thread "future suggestions" since everything thing can be considered duplication if remap = skill point buying.

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I think new characters should get a one-off unallocated SP reward for each of the 5 career mission arcs. The reward per career arc could be between 500k to 1 mil SP, for a total of 2.5 mil to 5 mil SP. That would be enough to give the character a solid foundation and feel somewhat useful from the outset without causing any significant balance issues. Established characters could also do the arcs for the reward. Those that have already done them for all 4 factions would simply be given the SP.

I think this is mainly a non-issue for older players. Personally i can fly a somewhat wide variety of ships and even if i want to get others with what i have i can get in most content available.
The problem comes for newbros, and how opressive is the system for them. I'll think some kind of mechanism should be created for new accounts (i'd love if i could say new players) to be able to get into "med-term" content quickly. Buying SP it would be a pay-to-win button and it would damage the game imo. Transfer/remap SP still only benefits older players.

I'd tried inviting friends to play EVE but is hard to tell them that they need to wait a week to start flying something and that they should just spend that first week reading guides.

I propose two differents ideas:
- Give at first subscription period one "special role ship plan" that last a couple months (until you can fly proper ships and fittings) and lets you fly one of this new ships with no skills: A HAC-like ship that performs as ~T2 fitted; Mining ship (same idea); etc.

- Give some buffer SP at the first sub, and after sometime. Enough to jump into something useful at the start. (i'd like to avoid giving everyone a link/falcon/logi alt).

I had a character that I made in 2003 where I had been hoping for years for a way to remap skill points. Among the many reasons I sold him was being unable to do this once I settled into role I liked in Eve and which ships I liked after the first 4 years as all kinds of re-balancing took place. My opinions on the chosen types I like haven't really changed since then.

Given that they have since made it where unallocated skill points can happen, and we have attribute modifiers that directly affect SP amount per hour, I can't see why it couldn't just be made so that you could do it within skill groups as navigation skills largely (almost entirely I think) use the same two attributes for training the skill level. Simply make it so when you get rid of the skill or reduce it, it goes into the navigation pool to be used on another navigation skill. That would seem to me to be the fairest way of doing it without breaking too much stuff while at least appeasing those people who would want this feature even if it is in a limited capacity. I can think of one particular spaceship command skill on this character I would like to evenly trade for another in this way, not to mention some missile and gunnery skills.

If you are keeping paying for 30 days license or spend real money to extend subscription you already "paying-to-win" otherwise you should stop doing this.


To kep or remove Attributes it is something tricky case where CCP can't make a finial descition yet.

The more problem come from Skill Ranking which is directly impacting your SP/Hour. From my point of view it is same broken as current Meta levels of modules.

Skills farming sounds same stupid as buy them for iskies.

And then people would want it halved again. The current system is fine, players will always come and go. it's the average number that matters.

buying SPs should be a big NO no matter how many topics it is bad for the game and unfair to people who trained years to get where they are. it is the essence of sandbox game dont ruin it

buying remaps is a NO also but giving one with Xmas gift is fine, if CCP decides to sell remaps i can live with it and perhaps use it someday. buying SPs is a deal breaker for me.

No.

Much of EvE's culture is built on the hard fact that the sp you have and how it is allocated is an indicator of your dedication to the game as well as your choices in forming your character. At any point in time a player can choose to radically change the direction of that character (from combat training to science, for example).

That change comes with a cost that is acceptable and reasonable: you start at the bottom of that path, like the person who started there at the beginning of their character and now has to start at the beginning to be a combat pilot. Choices in EvE matter and they say a lot about who you are and what you value.

New players do not benefit from even a small sp reallocation option. We all learn in EvE even years after we started. A new player may spread their sp in their first months all over the place, but this doesn't place them at a disadvantage of any sort. "Jack of All Trades" is not at all bad. No skill is useless in EvE and specialization, while quicker, naturally had an opportunity cost of other specializations.

A final point: few other games have the concept of respec at the level it would apply to in EvE. EvE does not have classes...so a respect is a TRUE character wipe. In WoW, a respec only affects key skills - you're still a paladin. In Borderlands, a respec grants radically different bonuses for your class, but if you want to play as a lvl 30 Siren and you're a lvl 30 commando...well, best get rolling on that new character. From the start. Like everyone else.

EvE can't do this. It's an all or nothing system because in EvE you can be ANYTHING (a great part of the game). SP resets will destroy the longevity of the game - you remove the desire to always learn something new as once a set amount of SP is reached you can simply remap until you see what you want to see. All that is left are veteran players in such a system. New players will not have the sense of investment we do and thus won't stick. It won't kill the game, but it will certainly not help its growth either.

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On the topic of attribute remaps, I do think a year is a bit long but short term remaps aren't a good idea. I feel reducing the timer to six months would be a happy medium. No remap purchases in this scenario.

If CCP really wants the cash...of course you do...then I would propose remap purchases have a separate timer of six months.
Here's me example...
-Timer is at Zero, I can use a free remap now
-I buy a remap in Nex or on Market and have it in my item hangar where I am docked.
--Option 1: I use my remap in character sheet, 1 year CD to next remap
--Option 2: I use my purchased remap, 6 month CD to next free remap (so it expends my free remap as well, but I only wait six months)

You can't use a free remap unless timer is at zero (and thus have a free remap).
-If this system was implemented, all players would have their timer set to zero and, where applicable, given one free remap. This is only fair to ensure everyone can immediately take advantage of new system.
-Free remap is effectively buying a six month timer as opposed to waiting a year. Would cost some sum of Aurum, is an item (like everything else skill related) that could be traded for isk.

I wouldn't call this pay to win or anything of that sort anymore than PLEX is pay to win (which I think it is, but that's another story). CCP gets some income from those who are impatient or make poor calculations, people who are tight-wads (like me) wait their year as normal and don't care.