Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is Not every 6 weeks you see such a major shake ups.

Once a year re-map is fine. Especially if CCP would remove atributes imps.

Please explain how should focused SC pilot adopt?

my opinion [replay for first post]

geting more sp, in not a problem, you just go to char bazar and you buy amout of sp you like, problem is if you wish get more sp to specific charcter, geting sp for char, wich you wish play, and it will take long time to get amout of sp you wuold like to have on this char, in my opinion only solution in that situation that not destroy char market is option to give option to change and/or swap char id, name , look and all other thing thats are realated with char and are not sp [by in game opiotn for free or for minimal cost/ tax], so you can buy sp from char bazar and give it to your char, and sell yours sp, becouse adding new soure of sp, will destroy eve character/skill points market economy, becouse you not need any more char bazar to get more sp, and make that only way to get sp to specific char is not from char bazar, wich all this might as result be close of accounts by some ppl

skill point reamap will have impact at char transfer tax, becouse you not need to pay tax for selling your sp and buying new one to change you sp composition, wich also results smaller isk sink and smaller paymens from it, wich is not possible form dev perspevtive, it would be logic for value of two char transfer tax but in this way you make smaller isk sink becouse reducting char movement at market

only case for buying sp is for low sp chars by aurum or something like that becouse plex is little to big when you need only small amout of sp, to max numer of sp not above (2-4m ?), becouse buying low sp char from bazar is rediculus when tax for char transfer is twice as char value or is the same or almoust the same, and you need only 1,2,7, or 30 days sp training for scout, alt, or you just start game, and you cant do anything, i reamember but this was long time ago when you create new char you can chose some skils depend form wich race/school you chose or something like that this was nice but, with remove restriction acecs to skills depend of race/schools you chose, make race/school choice only cosmetic choice, this cloud be nice for game

changing atributes by neural reamap, is change by thing thats is inside in game, is not impact game machanic from outside, and dont have that big influence at char market like other changes, becouse moust people wich use reamap doing this with optimalized plan, so you only can make biger isk sink by alow for it by tax/item (atribute reamp booster or something like that) i think, wich is good for eve economy make biger isks sink, and give players biger flexibilyty for remaping plans, and give solution for ppl wich use reamps without proper knowlage how to use it

Not similar at all actually, since the time has already been invested in order to remap. If this were the case then PLEX shouldn't exist at all because it allows people who can play the game more frequently and earn the required isk the ability to train skills for free, compared to folks who don't have the time to PLEX accounts.

You can already buy any specified allocation of SP you want in the Character Bazaar, there should be no reason I can not accomplish the same thing on a character I already own and have invested the time and money into for current SP.

(not saying i support or don't support SP remapping...really I don't care I can do pretty much everything I care to do anyway.)

The focused SC pilot should adapt by training skills for other ships too since to be effective as an SC pilot you must also have trained a shedload of other skills to get to that point.

People often like to say the throwaway comment 'Adapt or die' in the forums but in the case of SP purchase/remaps it seems to be a case of 'Adapt or die...except when I want skill x, y, and z and then I'd like them right now please because I can afford to throw PLEX/$ at it and want that shiny new FotM ship NOW!'...

And they would get bored after a short while and want/demand another remap for a different set of skills. Meanwhile those who play the game long term would suffer the consequences.

Also, if you're worried about the "rich kids" exploiting the system, for example, by remapping mining to get the ore, refining to get the minerals, then remapping industry to make the ships, then PVP for using the ships, and then remapping capital ships for the evening CTA, all in the same 4 hour play period, CCP can simply implement a SP queue:

We pay the plex to put the points from the skills into the SP pool, and then we get 2700 sp / hr from having a subscription, and the SP pool is consumed at another 2700 sp / hr, thereby giving you double training speed until the SP's are consumed. Thus it takes a long time to "remap" the skills.

I'd expect it to be very cheap if they do that, though.

The fact that so many threads are created so often obviously means people are begging for it.. but at the same time it is nice to know that you took the time to train every skill you have.

That being said starting fresh in EVE is outrageously hard, even for more experienced players, because there's a cliff of skillpoints to climb.

Perhaps allowing purchasing of SP with Plex should be considered, but the more SP you have, the less you gain for each use. This way you couldn't buy yourself to the top, but you would be able to buy yourself to the middle.

Because I can, I'll go through the list.

- [New Player Experience] - Idea/Suggestion: One-time Skillpoint Remaps?

Honestly, remapping for new players sucks. Nuetral mapping for 2-3 months while you grab some basics is great, but by then they realize how many skills they trained that they don't want or need, and how much time they've wasted without implants or mapping. In general it's kind of a crappy deal for new players. Eliminating attributes or reducing the advantage would go a long way, but there should be some benefit for specialization... so maybe shrink the spread? Just my thoughts.

- Use PLEX for SP boost

**** no. Lets stay away from pay to win ponzi schemes guys. You can already buy characters, so lets just put this one away.

- Neural Remapping Improvements

Not sure about this, I like the idea of minimizing the impact of remaps. I don't mind 'pay to remap' options, since it's not directly an SP Boost (above). Maybe locking people into 3 month instead of a year long cycle, especially since ccp is shortening their cycles, it'll give people time to adjust to game changes. Then it'd be a little more reasonable?

- Remapping and implants alternative

Not really sure here, maybe if you could get a 10 or 20% boost to one training category? Like Gunnery, with the ability to switch focus every month or so. It may reduce complexity and free up implants as a practical bonus only deal?

- attributes / implants - some ideas

We could use some more bonuses from sets, hull, scan res, mining yield, more sets - or being able to blend the ability from sets and still bonus them with an omega.


- Activities effect training time..

I like the system how it is, If leaving my computer logged in and having me sit in my pos or at a station all day improves my training... You'll just incentivize unproductive or ****** game play. If mining affects mining train time? Not a huge fan - don't cave to all the other games, the training system here is unique and worth while.

- PLEX for Bonus Neural Remaps?

Yeah, I have no issues there as long as we're not applying direct bonuses to sp I don't really care.

- NEW Implant Idea

Think we covered that above...

- Skill Point Flexibility

Don't really care, I liked having the free 50k skill points when the servers where down, but as far as untraining and re-applying - no real opinion.

- Un-training skills

Yes, but I think people should lose 10 to 50% of the SP there, so that it has some kind of consequence. Otherwise I'll just shift my SP for the next broken ship instead of working towards a balanced training plan.

- Lost Training Time

Should remain lost, we've got a 50 skill long skill queue...

- Remove training bonus implants

Neutral, it has pluses and minuses. It would encourage pvp in some regards and possibly remove some risk aversion, but there are some interesting thoughts behind training clones...

- More skills

...For new activities sure, but I don't think we need redundant skills that add additional bonuses to say armor/shield as is.

- Attributes

Thoughts were above.




I think the biggest issues are the new player experience and the fact that a year long train time is a lot of commitment. I think if you could reduce the impact of mapping by around 50% and reduce the remapping time to 3 months, you'd get a lot more flexibility out of the system - and it'd be a lot more dynamic.

As it stands now, you can't really remap for drones because there isn't a year of training there and there aren't any other skills with those attributes. If you were only committed to a 3 month train, you could hop in grab some core skills and hop out when you wanted to move on.

I don't want too buy SP I just want the SP I sunk into useless skills I don't use anymore and never plan too (eg mining mining ships etc) I was a new to at one time and sunk a lot of sp/time into stuff I found ultimately I wasn't interested in anymore

If something like this ever existed it would need a gigantic penalty that prevented abuse. For instance you do a full SP remap, you permanently lose 20% of your SP. So if you remap a 10m SP character it becomes a 8m SP char. If you do it again, it's a 6.4m character.

New players could essentially do it inconsequentially, but min maxers could probably only do it once or twice before throwing away too many months or years of training.