EVE General Discussion

It's funny you brought up Second Life. You know I've never played the game, but a lot of people have. It's more popular than this game, even.


But here's something to consider. What exactly do you think the people playing that game were looking to get out of it? Just the ability to talk to people? If so, they only needed a text chat room.. after all, that supplied everything they could have wanted, according to you. And yet, someone went the extra mile and it got really popular... huh.

So, why do you think that is? Take your time.

I'm not entirely convinced you really know who those people are yourself. You seem to think its a this vs that thing, without recognizing that this thread was conceived by the very players who play the same game as you do.

Any idea of some sort of super intelligent spaceship pilot master race seems... fictional, at best. People are not automatically smarter or more desirable to be around simply because they play spaceships at 32. If they were, we wouldn't have the term neckbeard.

This idea that you are somehow of a superior breed seems arrogant at best... and thats putting it kindly.

Ah, too true. You are very right that this is an important ingredient. But do remember that the original UE vision for WiS gave us the ability to own property in stations and customize them. There was indeed a degree of creativity implied about the process.

It takes no intellect whatsoever to play Second Life.

There's nothing more I need to add.

I'm pretty happy with my Hatsune Miku outfit.

Was only like $2.50 or something.

Could really use some cute boots though and oh yeah, a mouth!

It takes no intelligence to play EVE, either. If it did, we wouldn't have successful scammers.

So what is your point?

Because it seems to me your real problem with the situation is that you believe yourself to be elevated above others, and don't want anyone else in your game who shares deviating interests.

All I can say to that is, you're not above anyone. The mere fact that you're so entirely emotionally driven to "protect" your game from these people shows that you are, if anything, a very flawed person that wants to elevate himself above others due to some kind of insecurity. Sorry to go all Dr. Phil on you, but this is a fairly sad situation. You really should try to learn how to mingle with other crowds better.

The thing is EVE is already full of stuff that adds nothing to gameplay in a direct sense, stuff that's merely aesthetic or vanity related, and people continue to pay for it and demand/suggest more such additions. Ship skins, graphical improvements, engine trails, the list goes on and on. Including yes, even more avatar items too.

Stuff doesn't have to add anything to gameplay directly, it just needs to add to a person's experience. By doing so it adds to gameplay for that person. See? We can't make swathing comments like "a WiS feature wouldn't add anything to the social dynamic" just because it wouldn't for you.

There are plenty of people who think ship skins are a waste of time too.

If we're running off the philosophy of "we can already do a thing so why add more ways to do it" then really we should just take EVE back to dots on a map or spreadsheets because every other part of the game is merely aesthetically related - we don't "need" any of it. And we all know that would be silly, so really the argument just doesn't stack up.

Years ago EVE had the goal of being the 'Ultimate Sci-Fi simulator', not just a space ship simulator. I think that's an awesome concept and I still do today.


Honestly I never really liked SL. Don't find the interface intuitive enough and the avatars just aren't pretty enough.

But I dunno, can we really box people like that?

I've played EVE now for around 6 years, I've played avatar based stuff (and simple text based mmo's) for much, much longer. Most people move and shift between the games they play over time regularly. I don't think there's a dedicated crowd of "strange" people who would suddenly emerge from the shadows of SL, abandon it and surge into EVE and ruin the game should an avatar based form of gameplay or interaction be added.

That's a strange thing to be worried about honestly.

More players is always awesome, whether they bring space and/or social content. Both are very important aspects of EVE's content imo. Personally I login and enjoy my own playstyle, and that's not effected at all by the thousands of other players who may be simultaneously enjoying a completely different playstyle while I'm doing so.

sol always mentions how above others he is in almost every thread, besides that he mentions how bored of the game he is and in most threads that want to ADD aka not remove anything, such as adding some pve or wis... he gets upset at those who post for it.

not sure why eve players care whether wis were to be added in or not, their pvp territorial conquest would still be there, while the social animals would chat in stations.

now they all claim that this addition would require dev time which could be worked on eve... the fact is eve is 13 years old or so and the game is still about territorial conquest, most additions made in the past 3 updates is just skins.

the other thing about wis is it does not have to be a place for simply just conversation, it can be a place where you shop for skins for your ships and avatar, it can be a place where there is casinos... where you could play slot machines with different isk amounts... just like i want isk... but in a station next to others. the best part of adding a casino is having the ability to play eve poker and then one day adding in tournaments...

you guys don't have to conquer pvp all day every day, most of you are bored with that or upset at the changes ccp made, a lot of you say null is boring... a lot of others say pve is boring... the fact is people are bored... adding (and not removing anything else from the game) would draw in more players who could for 4 hours play in a poker tournament, then hop on their ship and go kill people.

what about clubs/bars? what if someone could DJ inside eve with his own apps and play us some tunes while we chat... what if we could have bar fights? i dunno i'm just talking random things. you might dislike the ideas, doesn't mean they are awful for others.

you should welcome additions, not hate on them regardless of what they are... rather than complain about additional things added to a game, you should complain about stuff being removed.

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now if they brought dust into said "project legion" and gave us a CCP game launcher where we could login one of our characters to either log into dust/legion or eve... that would be a welcomed addition... fight in space or planets... and if you dislike the idea of wis so much, all the stuff i said about wis above could be added to dust/legion rather than eve, so you'd never ever see it if you were strictly an eve player.

a business exists to make money... especially profit, so you should all be for ccp giving us more stuff to do, rather than be bored with the same 13 year old gameplay.

bottom line is, you should welcome additions to a game, regardless whether they appeal to you or not and you should only complain if they removed stuff rather than a company trying to expand.

The majority of people are mindless, dumb robots with no creative thought.
I'm glad we agree on that one.

Do we really need more Indahs in this game?

But we can't.
That's the point.

All she can do is hide behind her butthurtedness ...
... which she has quite a lot of.

All WE can do is block her.