EVE General Discussion

EVE wasn't designed with avatar play in mind. So when you try to tack it on you run into the problem that CCP ran into - it serves no purpose. You can try to change aspects of EVE that would then make the game require interfacing via avatar. This is sure to upset a whole lot of people and possibly have disastrous results on established game play. Or you can make interfacing via avatar an option - request a lvl 4 mission as normal or do it via avatar by walking up to a mission-giving terminal for example. This is useless and no one will bother using the terminal for avatars because it will take longer. Why bother walking into a player-run clothing store rather than just buying their clothing off the market from the comfort of your space ship?

Sure, some EVE players might sometimes enjoy standing around in a bar chatting with each other in person. Does that justify the expense in time, money, and man hours to develop? Probably not. The existing team seems to already have their plates full. Updating and redesigning the spaceships is an ever ongoing task. Then there are all of the other objects in space, stations and gates and stuff. The stations all now need to be updated with PBR, and CCP wants to add activity around stations in busy systems for example. Avatar play would require the same constant updating over the years. Look at those early WiS videos. They seemed impressive back then, now they already look dated. They would at least require updated textures and lighting. There would need to be a team of artists and programmers focused just on maintaining WiS and all of its assets. Yet CCP has only been downsizing since Incarna. Two artists are left working on clothes, that is the WiS team now.

CCP can't just tack on a thrown together 3D chat room and forget about it. If it looks like crap or plays like crap then that reflects badly on all of EVE. When CQ starts looking dated I wouldn't be surprised to see it removed.

A WiS that is worth a crap would end up being its own game requiring its own budget and its own team. CCP realized this and so they did exactly that - put together a new team and made DUST. Unfortunately they didn't release it on the platform their player base is on. And it's a FPS, not particularly interesting, to me, and maybe not to the average EVE player either. Additionally it looks like they made it a PITA just like EVE, with skills and gear and money whatnot. That is not what I am looking for if I want to play a FPS. I'm guessing that is not what most FPS players are looking for. And a FPS in general is probably not what WiS advocates are looking for. Not sure who CCP was trying to cater to with DUST. Legion will be on PC at least but other than that it seems it will be the same game as DUST? It might have been cool to see a planet in Thera opened up for exploration on foot and ground vehicles. A massive open landscape free for all like DayZ on a MMO-sized world. Go down in a shuttle hunting for goods then try to slip them back to empire. It would have to be split up into multiple shards though. Instanced. Naughty word when it comes to EVE.

Perfectly well said (I bolded the best part lol). Except you used the word "Instanced", that's -2 cool points lol.

Funny thing is, it's not Just EVE where this happens. I played TANKS for a while and would visit various player run forums and there was always that fringe "Why can't we have INFANTRY" group lurking around every corner (a group never satisfied with then answer "this is a tank game" lol).

In Mech 3, Mech4 and MWO (ie "MECH Games") the same group exists, but they aren't just screaming for Elementals, but also Tanks, Aerospace fighters and Dropships.

To each his own of course, but personally i've never seen the allure of playing as an 'avatar'. I AM an avatar. What I tend to like to doing in a game is play as things I'm not (Mechs, Tanks, Jet Fighters, Asymmetrical Space Submarines ...I mean spaceships in EVE, etc). When I want to do something involving legs I tend to ...go outside..

I never understand the whole WiS thing. It is like the argument i had with a SC guy about a space toilet in that game increasing immersion. Oh and it wasn't even a zero g toilet. Getting in and out of space ships and *waiting* always *waiting* to do the thing you want to do (ie get in a different one and undock or use the market) gets old very very fast (and going for a crap? really? and floating feckle matter? ). There will always be a lot of people that will want it turned off.

It is like learning to land in Elite dangerous. It completely destroys immersion because it is really stupid that in the future with space ships, its harder to land or use a autopilot than 60 years ago.

And someone a page or 5 back said something about free to play whatever. God please don't do free to play. They suck, and they are *not* free. And no a fixed price for life also doesn't work. Server and bandwidth cost per month and the only way to have single shard that is around for more than a few years is with subscriptions.

What Eve should be is the best *EVE* there is. There are plenty of other games out their that do that other stuff. They are not eve. That is fine. Lets just not try and make eve them.

Eve was created over 10 years ago. There are likely countless things in the game right now that weren't in the original plans. Times are changing, and if EVE is going to stay relevant, it too, needs to change.

The rest of that was TL;DR

42

You mean... everyone?

Oh, you kids and your lack of historical knowledge.

CCP had avatar play in mind for this game since before they started coding it. Since before they were CCP in fact. The only reason they took so long to implement it was due to the lack of software/ hardware.

Like WIS or hate it, it was an integral part of the vision for this game since it was an idea sketched on a napkin.

Mr Epeen

I see...deny the reality and you'll appear to be the only voice...avatar play? That term doesn't even make sense. As for "I'll shout you..." Neither does that. Then, with this level of thought, the sheer congruity of it means you must win! I'll have my TIME Magazine with George Bush on one cover and Vlad the Impailer on the other duke it out while I'm on the crapper....avatar play. Right.

Honestly, i think there is a place for WiS in eve. I was excited for ambulation, that projected sounded awesome, but they bastardised it.

At this moment, i think it will only work with combining EVE, Valk and Legion, with WiS being either a seperate game that ties all together, or in eve that ties it all together. There are ways that it can be done and support it's self, be 100% optional, and up tot he type of experence that you want. Like I just want to play eve. Or i want to play eve and legion. Etc.

However, i think lots of other crap need to be fixed first. PI, POS, Sov, etc need to be addressed.

You're doing it again.