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Walking in stations

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#561 - 2015-03-16 22:19:23 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
It's not dying its stagnating. CCP failed to diversify its player base. Instead of implementing content to satisfy all the major segments of its player base PvP, PvE and Industry / Trade they focused exclusively on a subsection of PvP (alliances) and largely ignored PvE, PvP (solo, small gang), PvE, industry and trade. They also failed to implement proper moderation of exploits / unintended game mechanics (a good example is the Lofty exploit that was allowed to persist for years).

Another great example is CCPs inabilty to properly react to increasely larger blobs and the associated lag. One of the consequences of CCPs poor design decisions is the ability to defeat an enemy by bringing more ships. It doesn't take a genius to figure that without a consequence to numbers, each party to a conflict will over time seek to bring greater and greater numbers.

Instead of implementing a system of deminished returns on numbers they bandaid the symptoms and fail to address the disease.

Games are sold largely due to word of mouth (or typing fingers) not how many ships you can stream fighting at 1 fps before your servers crash.



ROTFLMAO (old I know, but nothing else fits)

Well look who slinked back after failing in the campaign to get people to not play this game (by going to every possible website complaining about EVE).

And here you are, with posting right demonstrating that in one way or another, you just paid CCP ( a company you HATE) for access, after swearing you wouldn't come back.

ROTFLMAO again. I'm honestly sitting at the keyboard crying it's so damn funny. How is it possible that people exist that swear something is dying while they themselves keep paying to keep it on life support. Hot damn this is epic.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#562 - 2015-03-16 22:21:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

And here you are, with posting right demonstrating that in one way or another, you just paid CCP ( a company you HATE) for access, after swearing you wouldn't come back.


Not just swearing they wouldn't come back.

Making five threads about it here, then making a thread on mmorpg.com about it, defaming the game and everyone who plays it.

I am in stitches.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#563 - 2015-03-16 22:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Aragoni wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it.


And here you are. What?


Funny, isn't it? It's like coffee. I don't like it, but I like milk alone less than milk with instant coffee. So, here I am, buying coffee...


The most supreme Irony is that the people like you defeat your own goals. If you left and didn't come back and enough disappointed people did the same, you might actually get what you wanted (the near death of EVE that forces CCP to mainstream it with crap like WiS). But it's YOUR SUBS (or your use of plex that pours even more money into CCPs coffers) that keeps EVE a spaceship only game. Thanks for that btw.

It's incredible, you left and swore to not come back, IZ did the same and yet here are both of you in this very thread paying a company you hate to make a game that disappoints you.

It's not the fact that you do this incredibly screwed up thing, it's your 15 bucks go crazy, some people pay women in leather to beat them like they are step-children lol. The problem is how in every discussion with you types you act like it's US (regular people) who are somehow cracked.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#564 - 2015-03-16 22:32:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

It's not the fact that you do this incredibly screw up thing, it's your 15 bucks go crazy, some people pay women in leather to beat them like they are step-children lol. The problem is how in every discussion with you types you act like it US (regular people) who are somehow cracked.


Hey now, don't knock bondage as a profession. It's a good career starter and income source for aspiring young actresses, and it's far more respectable than going on Springer or some such.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#565 - 2015-03-16 22:44:43 UTC
Heh, a walking in stations thread.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Tykari
The Observatory
#566 - 2015-03-16 23:35:58 UTC
Personally I have never had anything against the idea of WiS content. The idea of being to walk around in the stations and perhaps even on the surface of planets does have a certain appeal and there is potential to add other components of gameplay. That said, the way CCP handled WiS was terrible and even worse it seemed to actually get in the way of fixing and maintaining the spaceships part of the game. If CCP had the resources to do both in a good fashion so one doesn't interfere with the other I'd be all for it. It would be a good way to expand EVE a little more into the ultimate scifi game, provide some new aspects to the game without forcing anyone into them and likely draw in some new players. EVE isn't just one play style, every player has their preference, I don't see why WiS couldn't be just another area of the game people choose to play.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#567 - 2015-03-17 00:18:40 UTC

Jenn aSide wrote:

It's not the fact that you do this incredibly screwed up thing, it's your 15 bucks go crazy, some people pay women in leather to beat them like they are step-children lol. The problem is how in every discussion with you types you act like it's US (regular people) who are somehow cracked.


$15 is an order of magnitude off for the going rate for a service like this. For those whom I've helped experience this, I have been told that it's an incredibly cathartic experience and worth every penny. The difference here is that the experience comes with its own physical and emotional release.. which justifies the price of entry.

Folks hung up on WIS on the other hand are not paying for release.. they are experiencing something that admittedly gives them no pleasure..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#568 - 2015-03-17 00:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Sibyyl wrote:

Jenn aSide wrote:

It's not the fact that you do this incredibly screwed up thing, it's your 15 bucks go crazy, some people pay women in leather to beat them like they are step-children lol. The problem is how in every discussion with you types you act like it's US (regular people) who are somehow cracked.


$15 is an order of magnitude off for the going rate for a service like this. For those whom I've helped experience this, I have been told that it's an incredibly cathartic experience and worth every penny. The difference here is that the experience comes with its own physical and emotional release.. which justifies the price of entry.

Folks hung up on WIS on the other hand are not paying for release.. they are experiencing something that admittedly gives them no pleasure..



WIS, nerf highsec, get rid of NPC corps, make Bluesec a God mode area, nerf ganking, remove bumping, etc.

We see that **** all day long in here. Everyone is hung up on something. They want what they want and don't care how it will affect game balance. So they cry and they cry in every thread that's even remotely close to their pet cause.

But since they pay their subs, it's fully acceptable for them to whine all day every day. Even though any thinking person knows CCP is not stupid enough to pander to their incessant mewling. Nothing will come of most of these deceased equines because to implement them would be game breaking.

Here's the thing about WIS, though. It would not be game breaking. It would be a good addition that would likely multiply the player base many fold. The people with the WASD phobia will keep to their ships and the massive influx of a whole new demographic will hang out in stations. It's a win/win. More players, more money for CCP, more new people to try and recruit into player corps.

So, even though I don't see it happening any time soon, I'll not begrudge people for not letting it go. It's a great dream to have. One that CCP shares with those that want to see some implementation of avatar gameplay.

Mr Epeen Cool
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#569 - 2015-03-17 01:54:10 UTC
I don't recall saying I wasn't coming back. I recall saying I was leaving. Anyways I do what I like, its a human condition to change ones mind and I missed Walrus and the other sad lonely souls that live to troll these forums.

I would have been back sooner but I bought a gym and have been busy with that.

I noticed the majority of the things I suggested (cooldowns on supers, sov changes to make sov taking easier, the issue with extraordinary amounts of isk coming from null pve) have both been confirmed, implemented or soon to be implemented.

So I thought I'd come back and try them out.... Twisted

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Paranoid Loyd
#570 - 2015-03-17 01:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I don't recall saying I wasn't coming back.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=337649

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1092613&_ga=1.67271321.965522908.1421293681

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#571 - 2015-03-17 02:01:30 UTC


Infinity Ziona wrote:
... Anyways I do what I like, its a human condition to change ones mind and I missed Walrus and the other sad lonely souls that live to troll these forums.

I'm back, deal with it :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#572 - 2015-03-17 03:47:08 UTC
given the whopping libelous fibs you spread about the eve community, individual players and ccp, i assume you've been working on an apology
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#573 - 2015-03-17 04:22:15 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
given the whopping libelous fibs you spread about the eve community, individual players and ccp, i assume you've been working on an apology

Its not libel if its substantially true and its for the benefit of the public rather than to harm the person or company being discussed. So no, no apology forthcoming.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Jenshae Chiroptera
#574 - 2015-03-17 04:42:32 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Healthy Mary wrote:
Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations?
I proceed.
Others shuffle along in half bows, eyes averted. P
You're not on the CSM yet.
"Yet?" I found a believer! Quick! Get the medics!

Thing is, that the stations are cosmetic. So, players can submit graphical assets and CCP can accept, reject or request modifications.
They can be paid in AUR and sign something.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#575 - 2015-03-17 11:48:55 UTC



Kaarous called it when he said wrote:

The third rule of being Infinity Ziona:

"Convictions are only there for as long as they are useful to me personally".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#576 - 2015-03-17 12:27:13 UTC



In other words, we know what we always knew, the guy is full of........it (lol). All good, what's a forum without a laughingstock?

But there is a greater point here, which is why it's so incredibly special that this IZ person is also a WiSer. WiS fans are so out of touch with the realities of EVE and and so delusional in their advocacy (even in the face of indefinite "NO") that they end up reminding me of these people.. The last paragraph of that link should be required reading for every WiSer.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#577 - 2015-03-17 16:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Jenn aSide wrote:
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/26/study_everyone_hates_environmentalists_and_feminists_partner/
To everyone in general, if you paste the link into Google you can click a little down arrow " v " and see it cached, adds a little safety to browsing random stuff from people.

(It looks like a tabloid)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#578 - 2015-03-18 03:15:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:



In other words, we know what we always knew, the guy is full of........it (lol). All good, what's a forum without a laughingstock?

But there is a greater point here, which is why it's so incredibly special that this IZ person is also a WiSer. WiS fans are so out of touch with the realities of EVE and and so delusional in their advocacy (even in the face of indefinite "NO") that they end up reminding me of these people.. The last paragraph of that link should be required reading for every WiSer.

indefinite "no's" require challenge. Stopping WIS was amateur and foolish. Someone competent might one day start to listen to what players want rather than just pandering to a failed group of gamers whose aim it is to turn games to crap for lolz.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#579 - 2015-03-18 03:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Infinity Ziona wrote:

indefinite "no's" require challenge.


If it's someone who owes you such consideration (like a government), maybe. But CCP is a private company and as evidenced by it's continued existence (funded even by the likes of people who dislike what they to, the game they ade and the community it spawned....like you )they are pretty much doing things right.

You (and folks like you, many of whom are participants in this thread) are amazing to me both in game and out, you live in a world of frustration, a world in which you experience so much, I guess the word is , 'friction' as you try to bend reality to your will, even to the point of FUNDING people who do the opposite of what you want in the slim and unrealistic hope that one day, someone will change their minds and give you what you want.

That sir, is simply a batshit crazy way to be IMHO. It's literally wasting the one and only thing human beings have that's worth anything. Time.

Of course, it's your time to waste.


Quote:
Stopping WIS was amateur and foolish. Someone competent might one day start to listen to what players want rather than just pandering to a failed group of gamers whose aim it is to turn games to crap for lolz.


Who wants to turn the game into crap for lolz? Other than goons, but their is more to this community than goons.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#580 - 2015-03-18 06:41:38 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

indefinite "no's" require challenge.


If it's someone who owes you such consideration (like a government), maybe. But CCP is a private company and as evidenced by it's continued existence (funded even by the likes of people who dislike what they to, the game they ade and the community it spawned....like you )they are pretty much doing things right.

You (and folks like you, many of whom are participants in this thread) are amazing to me both in game and out, you live in a world of frustration, a world in which you experience so much, I guess the word is , 'friction' as you try to bend reality to your will, even to the point of FUNDING people who do the opposite of what you want in the slim and unrealistic hope that one day, someone will change their minds and give you what you want.

That sir, is simply a batshit crazy way to be IMHO. It's literally wasting the one and only thing human beings have that's worth anything. Time.

Of course, it's your time to waste.


Quote:
Stopping WIS was amateur and foolish. Someone competent might one day start to listen to what players want rather than just pandering to a failed group of gamers whose aim it is to turn games to crap for lolz.


Who wants to turn the game into crap for lolz? Other than goons, but their is more to this community than goons.

I have plenty of time. I don't hate CCP or EvE. On the contrary it's my love of this game that causes me to come back every once in a while in the hope they'll wise up and get rid of the toxic environment they have deliberately fostered.

If they clean the turds out of the sandbox it might become attractive once again to people wanting to play rather than game the game.

When I criticise CCP it's because I saw what a great game they had prior too Ovuer leaving and I've watched as it and it's reputation was demolished by subsequent lead devs.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)