EVE General Discussion

If the majority of players spent all their time walking in stations then it would seem to me to be the best endorsement CCP could have for implementing it in the first place.

It's not that WIS would kill EVE. Quite the contrary in fact. What it would kill is your EVE. But your game hardly matters when, according to you, what everyone actually wants is to be in the station.

Of course that's a load of crap being spewed by you and the others with a fear that they might lose the ability to force people to play thier way instead of the sandbox way. If people want to hang in a station then God bless them. It's up to them what they want to do in the sandbox. As it is now, probably 10% of the playerbase never undock. Might as well give them something to do between monitoring their market bots and scamming in local.

If you are so afraid that if WIS was offered then no one would fly in space, it's a sad indictment from you on the state of the game.

Mr Epeen

well eve doesnt exactly have a massive playerbase does it, it peaks at max 40k players which includes alts etc, may be a different story if it had a playerbase the size of wow, im not saying nobody will fly in space im saying it gives people an alternative to undocking, it doesnt ruin my eve personally i undock because im bored of spinning ships then i die because i undocked and i provided content for someone else, ofcourse give me something to do within a station and i wouldnt undock so then im not dying and giving others content, thats a win for me, and i guess thousands of other people will just sit in station and play poker with corp mates instead of going out and risking ships in space because its more fun than ship spinning right?

10% of players never undock so may as well give them something to do?, why would you create in theory a whole new game for a 10% playerbase to simply check market orders or scam in local? if a player is doing any of these things they are using the already faster way which is supplied to them in spreadsheet form. how would they be able to use wis to check market orders or scam in local anyway? if you mean they can have something else to look at then why dont these players sit in cq on the sofa and look at the screen?

of this 10% playerbase how many of these are actual players and how many are just throwaway scam alts, market alts or scout / cyno alts of other players? which login for maybe 10-20minutes a day/week

and the state of the game comment, if there was any sort of advantage wis would provide to the game then ccp would have implemented it, maybe they see that the cons overrun the pros for this sort of thing.

im against walking in stations because it doesnt create any new cool content for the game which encourages people to risk things

It may seem self serving for me to agree with your statement, since we have a lot in common above the eyebrows, but it is an excellent point.


If EVE is so good, then WIS would hardly be a threat. If WIS were a threat, then perhaps EVE is not as interesting as everyone makes it out to be.

Could have a right click for "Set spawn point here"

RL issue -- I'm sorry to hear that is a struggle.

In reference to the game: Does it look cool? Yes. Immersion points i'd tend to disagree. This is mainly the reason I don't use my CQ very often.

I would argue that not implementing WiS is more likely to kill EVE. Look at player activity in the last 3 years, is it going up or down? Well, it's down, actually. In fact, when I came back in December, after more than 2 years away, I was shocked. Last time I played, it was normal to see 60k players online at primetime. Now, we don't even hit 40k most of the time. And I've seen off-primetime numbers as low as below 20k. Considering how many people in this game are running multiple alt accounts, that's a pretty sad number.

And these numbers are after over almost 3 years of uninterrupted ships-only development. After Incarna, WiS was abandoned, and since then it's been spaceships, spaceships, spaceships. Which would be fine, if that meant the game grew, or at least stayed stable. But it didn't. It's slowly dying. Common sense dictates that if CCP continues to focus on spaceships and doesn't drastically alter what they're doing, the game will die sooner rather than later.

Now, don't get me wrong, spaceship changes are nice and needed. The upcoming Sov overhaul is needed, and time will tell whether it's nice or not. Heck, arguably Sov has the potential to kill EVE too. But leaving it as it is isn't a solution.

The way I see it, EVE right now needs serious surgery. Yes, surgery has risks, and could kill it. But without surgery, it's a certain death either way.

Also consider the simple fact that by this time next year, there will likely be at least one sci-fi spaceship game with a social WiS element to it, namely Star Citizen. There's high possibility that another sci-fi spaceship game will also have WiS, namely Elite: Dangerous. These are the major ones, but there's more on the way. Now, when all these games begin to come out with WiS, players will get used to WiS and expect it as "the norm". It will therefore get very, very difficult for EVE to attract new players after that.

Picture this. You fire up Star Citizen, you create your char. You then get to walk your char around the planet, high-five other chars, trade with them, talk with them, and finally walk into your hangar, climb into your ship and fly off. Neat. Now, this same player decides to try EVE Online after that. Logs in, so far, so good. Creates his character. Again, so far, so good. And then? Finds himself locked in a room, with no meaningful gameplay, and from there he never sees his character again? Can you really picture new players sticking around after that? Imagine if someone released an MMO today where after character creation, you're playing as a "box", rather than the character you created. Would such an MMO have a hope in hell of survival? Not likely, right? But that's EVE, and that's where it's headed.

The way I see it, right now, EVE has nothing to lose. If they don't shake it up in a major way (and no, sov/null alone isn't going to do it, only about 20% of EVE's population are in null, 60% are in high sec and don't give a hoot about sov), it's already dead. They have nothing to lose. And they have precious little time to do it.



Same way all other MMOs do it - phasing, instancing, sizing, etc. There's plenty of tech to deal with that stuff. Tech isn't the problem. Besides, if you stop and think about it, there's a reason why there's 1600+ chars in Jita at peak. That reason is game design. If the market was designed differently, to support more decentralized trading, market hubs such as Jita wouldn't be needed or as frequented. Heck, I bet you if EVE simply started booting AFK people after 15-30 minutes, the same way 99% of other MMOs do, that 1600+ in Jita would suddenly get a LOT smaller. It's all manageable, it just needs to be managed. Besides, even with the current system, Jita often gets locked so you can't jump into it or log in if you logged off there (without being transported to a nearby system). So even the current implementation is already "forced" and broken.

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I'm still waiting for them to let me walk around my ship.

People used to assume that online games would be text ones like MUDs

i have mentioned it before, but ill repeat myself abit.... im really supriced that this post hasnt been closed... its clearly redundant, too much offtopic and littered With trolls.... something smells fishy... it counterdict the behavior of the ISD.