EVE General Discussion

I am Special And I do care where I spend my money if a game or community ceases to be fun and becomes Lame Inplants or no inplants I will Take my money else where.Trust me I wouldnt think twice kamikazeing my thousands of dollar worth of accounts.The reason I havnt is Eve has Hope And Im a Sucker For Sci Fi Fiction.

We have 2 sets of implants. One for hardwires for ship/eq bonues, and one set for learning or learning + set bonuses. I don't see how having learning implants is hurting anyone. They have benefits with risk, just like anything else in this game.

Back when we had learning skills, I remember that if you trained them all to 5, you shaved like 2 months of training off over a 3 or 4 year period. We didn't have skill queues, we didn't have remaps. If you felt the best way to play Eve was to sit docked up for 2 months and just train learning skills first. You were either an alt or an idiot.

What most people did, and I know what I did, is train short skills while you were playing, and long skills when you weren't , especially on those short CCP patch day, when sometimes they lasted a week of the game being up and down before they got **** stabilized. Those were the days we trained the advanced learning skills to 5.

I was ok with learning skills being removed, because everyone got compensated for what they put into it. And they added remaps. Remaps help people fall into the same camp as the "I can't play for 2 months because i have to train learning skills first" crowd. Be glad you can even remap, most Achura can't.

We started with less than 20k sp, and we ratted, humped veldspar in a frig, scammed and whatnot just to be able to afford +1\s and 2's. +3's were viewed as a luxury until at least a few months into the game.

If you want to take out learning implants, fine. But everyone should get a boost like the learning skill removal.. if you have +3's you get the +3 boost, if you have +5's you get the +5 boost etc.

What don't do is give out the biggest reward for the least risk.

It doesn't make any sense. Undock button is not locked when clone has +5 implants. SP/hr is meaningless to you, yet you choose to plug +5 to train faster, and not playing the game/undocking. Do you have kneecaps, sir? You shooting at your own arguments.

I have to admit, I laughed out loud at this. <3 u UAE. You know, in a bro-no-homo kind of way.

Are you familiar with the term hypocrisy? Can you provide proof that the majority of Eve players sat in a station whilst they trained the learning skills instead of out flying?

Remaps heavily favour alts, as newbies who need to actually play the character instantly and not wait six months or a year have to train across a high range of skills. (as do implants as well of course, but hey).
Remapping also creates the environment where 'I need to wait for a remap to train that skill optimally, so right now I can't do what I want'. Argue over 'need/want' division all you want, but anyone with at least half a brain can see that it does create that effect, and arguments that it's just a want are just derailing it in order to keep the status quo.

In a binary world, you would be right, however we are not in a binary world, but the complete spectrum of grey from white to black.
And on that spectrum, changes such as this will catch some people who otherwise would have left. I imagine most of those caught will be the smarter ones also who would have left because they understood that the current system actually benefits the old & rich. While the proposed newer system is simply flat.

Does it remove a tiny element of choice, maybe, but that element of choice is not part of the undocked gameplay, but part of the docked gameplay. And we should be focusing on making choices while undocked, not making all your choices before you undock and knowing things are set in stone after that.

So, to me, this thought of CCP is a step in the right direction for two reasons, as it removes a biased system that still has elements of the learning skills (PS, there is a 'slave set' skill, it's called Hull Upgrades, so the comparison between learning implants and slave implants is exactly like learning skills vs hull upgrades), and moves the focus more onto game play decisions made while in space.

We've already gone down the slope. The slope is a distant memory. We are now in the lodge ordering dinner and drinks.

A long time, unless you train Cybernetics 5 for other reasons (mindlinks, for example) and thus get +5s as a 'free' bonus.

Viewpoint of a vet:

My characters attributes points are something I forgot even existed. The last time attribute points were even considered was the few minutes of rolling a new character for Planetary Interaction years ago, and even then the attributes were spread evenly across all attributes if I remember correctly. Giving starting characters all of the same starting attribute points would not adversely affect any game play that I am aware of.

Thinking about implants that affect the speed your character trains skills though is a different matter. People always want a way to speed up whatever it is they are doing. Having a modifier that a character can purchase in game is desirable, especially by young pilots.

These skill training modifiers dont necessarily have to be plain learning implants. Pirate implants for instance not only affect ship stats but the training speed of skills. It would seem natural to combine hardwires and learning implants as hardwires already affect ship attributes from 1% to 6% and could also affect the training modifier from 1 to 6. CCP could even expand the pirate and other implants if they desired so there is a wider range of training modifiers available.

There is a small concern that needs to be raised with the removal of learning implants. That concern is the removal could lead to "Power Ups" bought with Aurum to increase training speed. It is doubtful CCP would pull something like this though and I only bring it up so people are aware of the possibility.

** apologies in advance if the above thoughts have already been discussed **