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Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#481 - 2011-11-30 23:51:20 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Pestilent Industries wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:

The only real "fix" at this point would be to introduce fully switchable font typeface with at least a handful of different fonts that players could freely choose (with at least the ability to specify UI font and chat box font separately. Possibly also separate font for the overview).

In the short term, that's not that easy or cheap. The font has to be licensed and then adjusted to work within the client. That's expensive and time consuming.

Also, just be clear, we are totally aware that some people don't like it, and that's their opinion and we respect that. When it comes to something like a typeface, its there are no moral absolutes or right or wrong. What we're saying is that overall, we and the majority of people providing feedback on it feel that it improves usability. During testing and first implementation, we had pretty much exactly the same discussion and split opinions within the larger dev team, btw.


You are "absolutely" wrong. The new font is terrible.



They are "wrong" about their own development?

And CCP is supposed to take you seriously why?

Can I haz your stuff?


They are the same people who made Incarna, Nex, and neglected Eve for 3 years. Yes, they are wrong quite often.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#482 - 2011-11-30 23:55:49 UTC
Holy crap you're mad. I like the new font.
Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#483 - 2011-11-30 23:58:42 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Holy crap you're mad. I like the new font.


I am happy some people are happy, those of us who are not happy need to be made happy by the company we pay. Get over us not liking it. CCP needs to fix it so we all like it, or at least more than half or whatever the percent is. There are a lot of unhappy people who absolutely hate it. That is not okay.
Endeavour Starfleet
#484 - 2011-12-01 00:00:54 UTC
Pestilent Industries wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Holy crap you're mad. I like the new font.


I am happy some people are happy, those of us who are not happy need to be made happy by the company we pay. Get over us not liking it. CCP needs to fix it so we all like it, or at least more than half or whatever the percent is. There are a lot of unhappy people who absolutely hate it. That is not okay.



There is a HELL of alot that needs fixing compared to the fact that you cant get used to a font change.

AFK Cloaking, Imbalanced PVP still, Factional Warfare changes, Wardec fixing..

I can go on and on.

The new font is fine.
simon pertwee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#485 - 2011-12-01 00:03:14 UTC
Pestilent Industries wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Holy crap you're mad. I like the new font.


I am happy some people are happy, those of us who are not happy need to be made happy by the company we pay. Get over us not liking it. CCP needs to fix it so we all like it, or at least more than half or whatever the percent is. There are a lot of unhappy people who absolutely hate it. That is not okay.


And what about the players who are happy with the change? Myself included. We pay for eve as well.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#486 - 2011-12-01 00:03:48 UTC
New font is FTW +1
Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#487 - 2011-12-01 00:04:57 UTC
simon pertwee wrote:
Pestilent Industries wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Holy crap you're mad. I like the new font.


I am happy some people are happy, those of us who are not happy need to be made happy by the company we pay. Get over us not liking it. CCP needs to fix it so we all like it, or at least more than half or whatever the percent is. There are a lot of unhappy people who absolutely hate it. That is not okay.


And what about the players who are happy with the change? Myself included. We pay for eve as well.


They can keep the new font, or maybe just improve it a lot, or make a new one that you and I, and "most" other people like. Something to satisfy "most" everyone. Not this, cause too many people do not like it, regardless of how many do. Is that so unreasonable?
simon pertwee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#488 - 2011-12-01 00:07:40 UTC
Pestilent Industries wrote:
Not this, cause too many people do not like it, regardless of how many do. Is that so unreasonable?


How many is too many?
Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#489 - 2011-12-01 00:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Pestilent Industries
simon pertwee wrote:
Pestilent Industries wrote:
Not this, cause too many people do not like it, regardless of how many do. Is that so unreasonable?


How many is too many?


I don't know, all the people raging on the forum right now? 30%? 50%? More than care about Faction Warfare? More than care about POS fueling? More than cared about new T3 BC? Why do all the font lovers think that improving the existing for others is so terrible? Why don't they want their fellow Eve players to enjoy the font as well? Do you not think the new font can be improved upon? Why the rabid protection of the new font?
simon pertwee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#490 - 2011-12-01 00:19:12 UTC
Pestilent Industries wrote:
I don't know, all the people raging on the forum right now? 30%? 50%? More than care about Faction Warfare? More than care about POS fueling? More than cared about new T3 BC? Why do all the font lovers think that improving the existing for others is so terrible? Why don't they want their fellow Eve players to enjoy the font as well? Do you not think the new font can be improved upon? Why the rabid protection of the new font?


Your opinion is not fact.
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#491 - 2011-12-01 00:19:48 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Hey all

Obviously there are divided opinions on the new font, it being in front of everyone the whole time and a big part of the overall EVE experience. When designing the new font, there were two major paths which we had to choose between. Make it legible, and improve accessibility or make it sci-fi and futuristic, risking usability for asthetics. We chose to go down the usability path.

Now from what we can see, there are very heated opinions on the topic. We did a little quasi-scientific analysis of the forums chatter. There were 1220 posts on the topic at the time of counting, 960 unique characters posting ( with the top 50 posting 31% of the posts ). We counted 6% objecting the new font, 49% somewhat neutral and 45% writing in a positive manner about it.

Looking at that date, we determine than while many people miss the old font and want the new one printed in books in order to be burned Farenheit 451 style, the majority of those writing on the topic like it and are enjoying the improved usability.

Also, the UI scaling is a very separate feature than the font, it was just lucky that we managed to get them both into Crucible. The font and the scaling had been developed by very different people at separate ends of the studio on very different schedules. Being able to launch both of then in Crucible made us pretty happy in terms of providing increased usability, which is something EVE sorely needs improved and we are committed to work on ad infinitum.

Finally, don't pick on Punkturis for implementing the new font or the UI scaling! She did a great job on both and I think EVE is a better product as a result of it!


Those "6%", as you call them, are probably the PVPers who actually need to make USE of all the info they can while still being somewhat able to see wth they're doing ingame. I'm quite sure some idiot who does nothing but mining in high sec or chains lvl 4s isn't exactly bothered by the changed font and its implications. Have you seen the screenshots of people who PVP, it's a fricking WALL of nothing but UI.

I'm sure some carebears with a 63" screen running at 6666x1337 while not ever getting further than targeting 4 ice roids does fine and will attest to just that. Would one of you CCP people actually be a PVPer (and possibly not have an uberl337 screen) worth his/her salt he'd just need to glance 3 seconds at the new UI to realise that the font (and almost more importantly it's implications) is TERRIBLE.
Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#492 - 2011-12-01 00:20:50 UTC
simon pertwee wrote:
Pestilent Industries wrote:
I don't know, all the people raging on the forum right now? 30%? 50%? More than care about Faction Warfare? More than care about POS fueling? More than cared about new T3 BC? Why do all the font lovers think that improving the existing for others is so terrible? Why don't they want their fellow Eve players to enjoy the font as well? Do you not think the new font can be improved upon? Why the rabid protection of the new font?


Your opinion is not fact.


It is a fact everyone posting about hating it, hates it. Heh.

Your post is a perfect example of the rabid fan boyism going on right now. Insanity.
simon pertwee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#493 - 2011-12-01 00:26:32 UTC
Pestilent Industries wrote:


It is a fact everyone posting about hating it, hates it. Heh.

Your post is a perfect example of the rabid fan boyism going on right now. Insanity.


Why am i LOLing so hard right now? LolLol
Circumstantial Evidence
#494 - 2011-12-01 00:29:15 UTC
I like new font - yes, a sci-fi / futuristic style would be NICE, but this has solved a host of problems that the old font, with many similar-looking characters - raised.

I have no doubt CCP will continue to improve upon UI.
This entire release is a testament to FiS over WiS, and CCP listening to customers.
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#495 - 2011-12-01 00:35:55 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Hey all

Obviously there are divided opinions on the new font, it being in front of everyone the whole time and a big part of the overall EVE experience. When designing the new font, there were two major paths which we had to choose between. Make it legible, and improve accessibility or make it sci-fi and futuristic, risking usability for asthetics. We chose to go down the usability path.

Now from what we can see, there are very heated opinions on the topic. We did a little quasi-scientific analysis of the forums chatter. There were 1220 posts on the topic at the time of counting, 960 unique characters posting ( with the top 50 posting 31% of the posts ). We counted 6% objecting the new font, 49% somewhat neutral and 45% writing in a positive manner about it.

Looking at that date, we determine than while many people miss the old font and want the new one printed in books in order to be burned Farenheit 451 style, the majority of those writing on the topic like it and are enjoying the improved usability.

Also, the UI scaling is a very separate feature than the font, it was just lucky that we managed to get them both into Crucible. The font and the scaling had been developed by very different people at separate ends of the studio on very different schedules. Being able to launch both of then in Crucible made us pretty happy in terms of providing increased usability, which is something EVE sorely needs improved and we are committed to work on ad infinitum.

Finally, don't pick on Punkturis for implementing the new font or the UI scaling! She did a great job on both and I think EVE is a better product as a result of it!


Torfi :( I have nothing against the new font, the main problem is that it needs some more tweaking, as it is now, a good handful of us are getting headaches from it... We are not joking about this part, it's so bad that the entire day after having played eve for a little, I havn't been able to read anything without the "eye pain" returning

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Zendon Taredi
Tier Four Technologies
#496 - 2011-12-01 00:41:36 UTC
i have to be honest, i hate it. i cant stand looking at the contracts from where i make my living. it just looks bad. give me back the old font, i beg you.
Zendon Taredi
Tier Four Technologies
#497 - 2011-12-01 01:18:16 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Hey all

Obviously there are divided opinions on the new font, it being in front of everyone the whole time and a big part of the overall EVE experience. When designing the new font, there were two major paths which we had to choose between. Make it legible, and improve accessibility or make it sci-fi and futuristic, risking usability for asthetics. We chose to go down the usability path.

Now from what we can see, there are very heated opinions on the topic. We did a little quasi-scientific analysis of the forums chatter. There were 1220 posts on the topic at the time of counting, 960 unique characters posting ( with the top 50 posting 31% of the posts ). We counted 6% objecting the new font, 49% somewhat neutral and 45% writing in a positive manner about it.

Looking at that date, we determine than while many people miss the old font and want the new one printed in books in order to be burned Farenheit 451 style, the majority of those writing on the topic like it and are enjoying the improved usability.

Also, the UI scaling is a very separate feature than the font, it was just lucky that we managed to get them both into Crucible. The font and the scaling had been developed by very different people at separate ends of the studio on very different schedules. Being able to launch both of then in Crucible made us pretty happy in terms of providing increased usability, which is something EVE sorely needs improved and we are committed to work on ad infinitum.

Finally, don't pick on Punkturis for implementing the new font or the UI scaling! She did a great job on both and I think EVE is a better product as a result of it!


no, you have a number of people complaining, then you have people weighing in and ofc trolls/fanboys.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#498 - 2011-12-01 01:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Panhead4411
TuonelanOrja wrote:
New font is fine. ******* whiners, you know where the door is..


Yeah, i was staring at it for months, BUT I STILL CAN'T GO THROUGH IT!!!!

Also, chances are, they did hear from ppl on the test server that they did not like it, but true to form, those responses 'represented an insignificant portion of user base' (b/c the number of ppl on test server is so large, and the complaints so few)

I'm sorry, but this font thing is terribad. It just takes up soo much more room, every screen has to be bigger and more cluttering...

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CCP t0rfifrans wrote:


Looking at that date, we determine than while many people miss the old font and want the new one printed in books in order to be burned Farenheit 451 style, the majority of those writing on the topic like it and are enjoying the improved usability.



Are we really reading the same forums?

http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing    < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#499 - 2011-12-01 01:34:16 UTC
Pestilence... your really not suppose to qoute everyone and make a new post to comment on every single post in a thread, sum up their posts and then answere... that other thing your doing is extremely annoying to the rest of us

On a side note

I noticed more people than just me saying the new font is giving them headaches and is disturbing to their eyes... this is what I really think is the main issue, i been playing eve for a very long time, never quiting, never taking breaks :( (except i stoppede supscription of an alt with the anomaly nerf) please... I dont care about the old font... and I agree its easier to tell system names apart... but if ccp doesn't do something the size of the font... the spacing, and the width. Then I will have to take my first break, my eyes have been hurting and been getting headache, CCP... I beg you, listen to us, just tweak it a little more :'(

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Markis Silvairi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#500 - 2011-12-01 01:46:45 UTC
I'd be happy just to have the font width option put back in. I don't particularly care for either the old or the new font but with that option I'd expand the text and was more than happy.