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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#521 - 2011-12-01 08:51:51 UTC
There are several aspects of the new font which are significantly worse than the old...

But the most significant is how much screen real-estate it takes up.
In order to see the same number of orders in my wallet for example the window has to be almost twice as large.

Now maybe I'm missing an option somewhere to set the fontsize on the UI (other than the context menu) but...

Oh, and the chat scaling is a bit broken too (reducing the font size by a certain amount and the next reduction doesn't change the font size noticably but increases the spacing of the font... meaning it actually takes up more space.
Terigan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#522 - 2011-12-01 08:52:23 UTC
Playing on a 27" monitor at 1920x1080, the old font gave me severe eyestrain. Using smaller resolutions helped legibility but then everything became slightly fuzzy since I was at a non-native resolution for this monitor.

I like the new font. I've tried it at 90% - 125% and while all are usable, 100% is what I prefer. The legibility is much improved for me.
Lonokus Del'lar
Perkone
Caldari State
#523 - 2011-12-01 08:54:44 UTC
I have a small monitor and this new UI and Font make the game almost unplayable. How the hell did this make it to live?
Planetarian
Capital Fusion.
WE FORM BL0B
#524 - 2011-12-01 08:57:54 UTC
To all the whiners... You had time to complain / give feedback. You obviously didn't. You fail. Door is that way >>>>>


Oh and, new font is fine. God job!

If you're reading this you've come to my signature, which has little relevance to this post

Psychophantic
#525 - 2011-12-01 09:08:01 UTC
Planetarian wrote:
To all the whiners... You had time to complain / give feedback. You obviously didn't. You fail. Door is that way >>>>>


Oh and, new font is fine. God job!



Roll

We did. In the test server forums. So much so that they were forced to explain that the font would not be optional nearly a month ago.

The old there's the door trick eh. That's what eve needs right now hey? They can afford to lose some more subs now they've made some layoffs I suppose.
RaTTuS
BIG
#526 - 2011-12-01 09:08:58 UTC
new font is good,
I'm used to it already -
i don't think it's as good as the old old font but that did not scale and it's been too long to really say ;-p

http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://i.imgur.com/kYLoKrM.png

Koda Myr'koff
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#527 - 2011-12-01 09:15:41 UTC
Before anyone comments, I DID put through this feedback prior to Crucible going live, but here it is again.

I play on my monitor's native res, 1920x1200, and had zero issues with the previous font. My eyes are stuffed and I have to wear fairly strong glasses, both eyes with different problems, so people who couldn't read it before are either in denial about the state of their eyes or are playing at non-native resolutions (always a stellar idea Roll).

With the new font at 100%, everything is too big. I have to have many windows far bigger than they used to be in order to fit the same amount of stuff in. I tried 90% scaling and this makes the stuff that was too big perfect...but now all the stuff that was ok with the new font is too small to be rendered properly. As in there's no spacing at all between many characters in some windows. None, zero, not a single blank pixel between the edges of characters.

For the love of god, let the old font be an option or let us make EVERY text element of the UI the same size. We shouldn't have to compromise between having some stuff readable and others too big, or some stuff a blur of pixels and other stuff ok.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#528 - 2011-12-01 09:17:28 UTC
New font is ugly, but very functional.

Working as intended.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Sashaaa
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
#529 - 2011-12-01 09:20:52 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
It is currently not possible to toggle between the new font and the old one. While we appreciate that this is something a lot of people are asking for, it simply cannot be done in the current font rendering system.


Not a problem.

Forget the toggle thing, just bring back the old one then.

Thank very much
Tyrnaeg en Varche
#530 - 2011-12-01 09:31:18 UTC
I like the new font, everything is clearer now.
I also like the scalability options, very usueful for some of my characters that want lots of windows open at the same time.

Overview is fine, you can use the "Use Small Font" checkbox to fine tune it.

Generally, with the new expansion i can arrange my windows better on screen, and that is ... good!

haters gonna hate, etc etc.
Shang Tsungin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#531 - 2011-12-01 09:37:47 UTC
The new font beats the old one.
Ai Shun
#532 - 2011-12-01 09:37:59 UTC
It would be interesting to see the size of monitor and resolution that players who dislike the new font are using. I booted up into EVE for the first time tonight after the update and on a 1920x1200 display it looked brilliant. Everything was legible, clear to read and I think it looked grand. To me it is a big improvement on the old font.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#533 - 2011-12-01 09:58:21 UTC
Woo Doggy wrote:

Question: Did CCP test this on a 17" inch monitor? My guess is NO.


Have you checked how cheap 24" screens are these days? My guess is NO.

(granted, your argument holds some weight with laptops, yet that's the drawback you get from buying a PC that is squished into portable form factor with all kinds of compromises)

If anything, the font change has made me consider a 2560x1600 27-30" new display... Roll
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#534 - 2011-12-01 10:00:25 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Scale things down a bit and you will find that you can get as much, if not more, on your screen than before... and actually be able to read all of it for a change.


90% http://i.imgur.com/Wr4nC.jpg

Overview pretty close to same size as when using old font.
Item stacks too small.
Ammo stacks too small.
Icons in space and overview too small.
Hud too small.
Window controls too small.

Go to 100% and I'll need an IFR to fly with that overview.

But just keep on dismissing peoples concerns, we're all here solely for the drama.


I guess your argument could be reworded as;

"EVE Overview window needs a redesign to make it more screen space-efficient"
Sashaaa
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
#535 - 2011-12-01 10:02:54 UTC
Octarius Eskravu wrote:
the older might had issues...but this is surely not the solution.




I am old(er) and I much preferrred the old font. This is pretty dismal to be honest.
Grukni
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#536 - 2011-12-01 10:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Grukni
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Woo Doggy wrote:

Question: Did CCP test this on a 17" inch monitor? My guess is NO.


Have you checked how cheap 24" screens are these days? My guess is NO.

(granted, your argument holds some weight with laptops, yet that's the drawback you get from buying a PC that is squished into portable form factor with all kinds of compromises)

If anything, the font change has made me consider a 2560x1600 27-30" new display... Roll


My biggest concern with these big monitors these days is their huge resolution. You won't find a non Full-HD monitor that size these days, which is an issue if you have three of them and your GPU is not really fast (& hot)
Banora Misaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#537 - 2011-12-01 10:08:31 UTC
I LOVE the new font and UI scaling! Big smile
Everything is readable now with ease. Before I have to set resolution to 1280x800 on my 24" Monitor (native 1920x1200 - 16:10), so I could read the tiny letters.
Now I can read in full native resolution - having scaled to 150%!

Thanks very much, EVE is making progress every Update. Smile

I even would welcome an even greater scaling factors (200%, 250%), so I can play on my Full-HD 52" TV screen - without sitting 1m in front of it.
Smile
Rion Deteisan
Forged Prophets
#538 - 2011-12-01 10:11:03 UTC
mkint wrote:

the old font had issues with a couple of characters. The new font is an issue.


lets forget the issues and completely make new ones.. then fix these issues later..


CCP Expansion Strategy EXPOSED:
- Make something that's broken.
- On next expansion, Fix it. (but still broken)
- second expansion, it works (as players want) = NEW FEATURE!!!
- Rinse and repeat.

.

Zleon Leigh
#539 - 2011-12-01 10:21:56 UTC
Wonder how many bot programs were messed up by the font change?

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

PvP's latest  incentive program ** Unified Inventory **  'Cause you gotta kill something after trying to use it

Lectrolux
1.618
#540 - 2011-12-01 10:32:11 UTC
My eyes have focus issues with the new font, its as if the font doesnt want to be looked at Shocked its very odd and after a while my eyes start to feel tired.

I never experienced this before.