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Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#281 - 2014-12-05 12:53:09 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
They will find something man, don't you worry about that. :D


Probably. and if/when it gets ridiculously out of hand, there will be many tears, and CCP Fozzie wil say, "teh Fozzie giveth, and the Good Fozzie, he taketh away"

Its the circle of life, man, hakuna matata

(mm ta ta's)
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#282 - 2014-12-05 14:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

I see you missed the part where he said they just park their happy asses on station and dock at the first sign of trouble.


It has the same effect of stopping the bonuses as killing it, so, problem still solved.

Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

2. Oh, so just strap a probe launcher and probe em down?

We're usually talking firgates here in FW, right? Here's some facts for you

Expanded Probe Launcher 1 - 220 CPU to fit
Expanded Probe Launcher 2 - 242 CPU to fit.
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher - 242 CPU to fit.

Sorry my friend, but this time your post looks rather like a troll, as what youre suggesting is not really feasible.


No dude, you cant do that. Look at the CPU on your frigs, then look at the CPU requirement for expanded probe launchers. You cant fit them, suggesting so was an ignorant excuse on some ppl's parts.


Covert Ops Frigates. Your argument is now invalid.

Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

Do the enemy combatants have a reasonable expectation of a warfield that somehow doesnt excesibly punish the new soldiers? No?

Straw Man.


What are you talking about? Does this have to do with the learning curve in EVE? Because the majority of combat casualties are the new and inexperienced. In every war in the history of ever, if you survive your first battle, you're considered lucky.
What the hell does this have to do with anything, and how the hell does it discredit what I said?
This one of yours here wasn't just moving the goalpost... you were trying to change what sport we were playing in the middle of the game.

Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

From what Ive seen in local chats and on these forums, folks are either about 14 years old or really ignorant or just a "hipster" who says "neckbeard" because all the other lemmings jumping on an insult bandwagon against someone says it.

I mean really, "neckbeard?" Do you know what that means? How the f**k do you equate that to someone whom you believe to be making $****** arguments? Or even if you think theyre an ********, wtf does a neckbeard have to do with that? It's really dumb, man.

And to think I used to brag that I played a game for smart people. Lemme tell ya folks, I dont do that anymore.


Neckbeard. Adult male, usually well into his 20's or 30's, typically with horrible personal hygiene habits and intact virginity, nearly completely lacking social skills, prone to infantile outbursts over trivial disagreements, believes himself to hold moral highground in every single argument he engages is, easily resorts to name-calling and personal attacks when losing a debate, refuses to accept anyone else's opinion, and blames it all on a self-diagnosed and completely imaginary case of Asperger's Syndrome (try asking him what the diagnostic criteria for that disorder are.... he won't be able to tell you).
Neckbeards are also almost all grievously sexist and racist, but that's not part of this discussion.

Any other questions there, or did I just about cover what you were looking for?
Also, not that it matters, but to address your throwing my intelligence into question, I'm going to UNLV for microbiology. You don't exactly get through that by licking windows.

As a last note.... the 3-page-long temper tantrum you've been throwing in here because everyone didn't just bow down to your superior opinion as soon as you walked into the room..... I've got some bad news for you, mate.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#283 - 2014-12-05 14:47:45 UTC
TIL FW players fly covops frigates.

CCP ha spoken on the matter, it was a dead issue before the thread even started.

You LOST, get over it.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#284 - 2014-12-05 14:54:04 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

I see you missed the part where he said they just park their happy asses on station and dock at the first sign of trouble.


It has the same effect of stopping the bonuses as killing it, so, problem still solved.

Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

2. Oh, so just strap a probe launcher and probe em down?

We're usually talking firgates here in FW, right? Here's some facts for you

Expanded Probe Launcher 1 - 220 CPU to fit
Expanded Probe Launcher 2 - 242 CPU to fit.
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher - 242 CPU to fit.

Sorry my friend, but this time your post looks rather like a troll, as what youre suggesting is not really feasible.


No dude, you cant do that. Look at the CPU on your frigs, then look at the CPU requirement for expanded probe launchers. You cant fit them, suggesting so was an ignorant excuse on some ppl's parts.


Covert Ops Frigates. Your argument is now invalid.

Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

Do the enemy combatants have a reasonable expectation of a warfield that somehow doesnt excesibly punish the new soldiers? No?

Straw Man.


What are you talking about? Does this have to do with the learning curve in EVE? Because the majority of combat casualties are the new and inexperienced. In every war in the history of ever, if you survive your first battle, you're considered lucky.
What the hell does this have to do with anything, and how the hell does it discredit what I said?
This one of yours here wasn't just moving the goalpost... you were trying to change what sport we were playing in the middle of the game.

Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

From what Ive seen in local chats and on these forums, folks are either about 14 years old or really ignorant or just a "hipster" who says "neckbeard" because all the other lemmings jumping on an insult bandwagon against someone says it.

I mean really, "neckbeard?" Do you know what that means? How the f**k do you equate that to someone whom you believe to be making $****** arguments? Or even if you think theyre an ********, wtf does a neckbeard have to do with that? It's really dumb, man.

And to think I used to brag that I played a game for smart people. Lemme tell ya folks, I dont do that anymore.


Neckbeard. Adult male, usually well into his 20's or 30's, typically with horrible personal hygiene habits and intact virginity, nearly completely lacking social skills, prone to infantile outbursts over trivial disagreements, believes himself to hold moral highground in every single argument he engages is, easily resorts to name-calling and personal attacks when losing a debate, refuses to accept anyone else's opinion, and blames it all on a self-diagnosed and completely imaginary case of Asperger's Syndrome (try asking him what the diagnostic criteria for that disorder are.... he won't be able to tell you).
Neckbeards are also almost all grievously sexist and racist, but that's not part of this discussion.

Any other questions there, or did I just about cover what you were looking for?
Also, not that it matters, but to address your throwing my intelligence into question, I'm going to UNLV for microbiology. You don't exactly get through that by licking windows.

As a last note.... the 3-page-long temper tantrum you've been throwing in here because everyone didn't just bow down to your superior opinion as soon as you walked into the room..... I've got some bad news for you, mate.


You haven't presented any arguments why afk alts are preferable to on-grid players running links, instead you spout pages full of some totally irrelevant autistic nonsense. I guess it's just because you don't have any arguments, but still feel the need to desperately hang on to your OGB, even when everyone else knows they will be gone soon.

(tm)
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#285 - 2014-12-05 15:07:39 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:

You haven't presented any arguments why afk alts are preferable to on-grid players running links, instead you spout pages full of some totally irrelevant autistic nonsense. I guess it's just because you don't have any arguments, but still feel the need to desperately hang on to your OGB, even when everyone else knows they will be gone soon.



"desperately hang on to your OGB"
Yes, thank you for completely outlandishly dramaticizing what I'm doing here.
Originally, I jumped in this thread to tell OP to "shut up, scan it down, and kill it"... but screwing with people crying about how it's "so not fair" was just too tempting.
It's a valid mechanic. Get over it. One guy from CCP saying he doesn't like it and wants to find a way to remove it, doesn't mean everyone in the staff hates it and wants it gone. Besides... those quotes were from nearly 3 years ago. If nothing's been done so far, I don't see them being in too terribly much of a hurry to stop it.

I've given plenty of arguments, and all of them have been well-thought-out and valid. I've avoided personal attacks wherever possible... some of you guys make it really hard, though... so stubborn.... you keep making the same points over and over again as if repeating them a certain number of times will magically make them right, and then accusing me of bringing nothing to the table when I've already laid out several key points that you ignored because they don't fit your narrative.

Now you're trying to make me out to be some kind of OGB zealot. Mate, I fight without boosts every time I run a fleet of my own. I don't have a booster alt. So, I'm not sure where you're getting any of this from.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#286 - 2014-12-05 15:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabarian Thraxx
edit: forget it
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#287 - 2014-12-05 15:13:47 UTC
And some more sperging, instead of arguments. Do you even read what you type? You write complete posts without a single argument and somehow imagine it's worth posting.

All you'd need to do is tell us why afk alts providing boosts are better for the game than ships on grid, controlled by active pilots. Because that's what you are valiantly white-knighting here. Glorious alt gameplay.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#288 - 2014-12-05 15:14:29 UTC
Links are horrendously broken and need A Necessary End

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#289 - 2014-12-05 15:20:14 UTC
Plenty of good arguments against onGB have been made in this thread, which you've conveniently chosen to ignore. Instead, you continue dipping from the same well over and over again, forcing us to essentially paste the same responses to address the claims of "poor new players" this and "probe launcher cpu" that. Everything with regard to small gang power balance, substitutions, the unfairness inherent in a 1vs2 scenario, and the fact that a booster appearing 500km on-grid in a 1vs2 scenario being untouchable anyway, all of that has been systematically ignored.

And no, nothing is set in stone. CCP has a record of modifying planned changes, and the fact that you're trying to shut this conversation before it's over shows that you're fearful that things might not go quite the way you want them to.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#290 - 2014-12-05 15:23:38 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
And some more sperging, instead of arguments. Do you even read what you type? You write complete posts without a single argument and somehow imagine it's worth posting.

All you'd need to do is tell us why afk alts providing boosts are better for the game than ships on grid, controlled by active pilots. Because that's what you are valiantly white-knighting here. Glorious alt gameplay.



I was directly responding to what you directly said.
YOU brought it off-topic, not me. And, what I'm doing isn't "sperging"... you and your fellow whiners have that market corenered, in this thread.

But thank you for baselessly accusing me of the things you do, yet again.

You can maybe convince a couple others that you're the victim here, and that I'm carrying the discussion off on rabbit trails, but anyone who's actually been reading will know that I've been trying to bring you back on-topic.

Once again. Last time. I have no booster alt. My alt is for running missions, exploring, and delivering things to me from the trade hubs when this toon is war-dec'd. What part of that are you not getting?
Stop misrepresenting my words.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#291 - 2014-12-05 15:23:58 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Plenty of good arguments against onGB have been made in this thread, which you've conveniently chosen to ignore. Instead, you continue dipping from the same well over and over again, forcing us to essentially paste the same responses to address the claims of "poor new players" this and "probe launcher cpu" that. Everything with regard to small gang power balance, substitutions, the unfairness inherent in a 1vs2 scenario, and the fact that a booster appearing 500km on-grid in a 1vs2 scenario being untouchable anyway, all of that has been systematically ignored.

And no, nothing is set in stone. CCP has a record of modifying planned changes, and the fact that you're trying to shut this conversation before it's over shows that you're fearful that things might not go quite the way you want them to.


Please make a short list of arguments for OGB, or against links as targeted modules.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#292 - 2014-12-05 15:24:31 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Off grid boosting, unfortunately, will be around for a while to come. It needs the dogma rewrite/Brain in a Box to be complete, before CCP can seriously think about redoing it. Ranged effects which are constant, would cause TQ to have a bit of a nervous breakdown.

(things like warp interdiction bubbles are 'easy' as they're not constant effects. Just 'is there something interdicting me in range, when I try to warp')
/thread on page 2: CCP would prefer boosts on-grid, but can't do it now due to technical limits.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#293 - 2014-12-05 15:25:45 UTC
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
edit: forget it



Did you finally realize that you're over-reaching pretty badly with your exceptionally loose interpretations of my statements?

I was going to say "it's plainly obvious to everyone that you haven't been reading ANYONE'S counterpoints, not just mine", and a few other things, but you don't even have the conviction to let your statements stand.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#294 - 2014-12-05 15:27:51 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

I was directly responding to what you directly said.
YOU brought it off-topic, not me. And, what I'm doing isn't "sperging"... you and your fellow whiners have that market corenered, in this thread.

But thank you for baselessly accusing me of the things you do, yet again.

You can maybe convince a couple others that you're the victim here, and that I'm carrying the discussion off on rabbit trails, but anyone who's actually been reading will know that I've been trying to bring you back on-topic.

Once again. Last time. I have no booster alt. My alt is for running missions, exploring, and delivering things to me from the trade hubs when this toon is war-dec'd. What part of that are you not getting?
Stop misrepresenting my words.


Mate you are really confused. You're the one posting post after another hilariously irrelevant stuff about your own posts, neckbeards and your intelligence.
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#295 - 2014-12-05 15:32:50 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
edit: forget it



Did you finally realize that you're over-reaching pretty badly with your exceptionally loose interpretations of my statements?

I was going to say "it's plainly obvious to everyone that you haven't been reading ANYONE'S counterpoints, not just mine", and a few other things, but you don't even have the conviction to let your statements stand.


Actually the "argument" was settled by CCP before the thread even started, so I consider it a moot point. I stopped reading your post near the beginning when you suggested the FW crowd fly covert ops ships Roll

I had posted the actual definition of neckbeard, as I saw you give your definition towards the bottom of your post. Then I thought, "why bother?" I figure name-calling trolls prefer somethingawful and urbandictionary.com to a real dictionary anyway.

You got class, bro. No, really, I mean it.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#296 - 2014-12-05 15:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Aiyshimin wrote:
Please make a short list of arguments for OGB, or against links as targeted modules.

My arguments are not in favor of off-grid boosting, but rather against on-grid boosting. I've clearly said that if off-grid boosting is such a big balance issue (and it's not, at least in comparison with other issues that could easily overtake it in the face of any significant changes), then removing boosting entirely is a preferable solution to making it grid-only. If you want to know why, feel free to read through my posts in this thread. It's not that long, and I don't feel inclined to put in extra work for your benefit.

Oh, and here's something no one has addressed yet: for each instance of a solo pilot encountering another that also has a booster, there's also one in which a solo pilot with a booster is able to fight significantly outnumbered. One must not cherry-pick scenarios to balance around without considering the whole picture.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#297 - 2014-12-05 15:39:56 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

I was directly responding to what you directly said.
YOU brought it off-topic, not me. And, what I'm doing isn't "sperging"... you and your fellow whiners have that market corenered, in this thread.

But thank you for baselessly accusing me of the things you do, yet again.

You can maybe convince a couple others that you're the victim here, and that I'm carrying the discussion off on rabbit trails, but anyone who's actually been reading will know that I've been trying to bring you back on-topic.

Once again. Last time. I have no booster alt. My alt is for running missions, exploring, and delivering things to me from the trade hubs when this toon is war-dec'd. What part of that are you not getting?
Stop misrepresenting my words.


Mate you are really confused. You're the one posting post after another hilariously irrelevant stuff about your own posts, neckbeards and your intelligence.


What does any of this have to do with booster alts?
You're attacking me instead of my arguments.
When you see my arguments, you side-step them because you have no effective counter, then you fill the pond with red herrings and accuse me of going off the road.

Where are you even trying to attempt to attack my arguments in any meaningful capacity? Nowhere. Good bye.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#298 - 2014-12-05 15:43:20 UTC
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
edit: forget it



Did you finally realize that you're over-reaching pretty badly with your exceptionally loose interpretations of my statements?

I was going to say "it's plainly obvious to everyone that you haven't been reading ANYONE'S counterpoints, not just mine", and a few other things, but you don't even have the conviction to let your statements stand.


Actually the "argument" was settled by CCP before the thread even started, so I consider it a moot point. I stopped reading your post near the beginning when you suggested the FW crowd fly covert ops ships Roll

I had posted the actual definition of neckbeard, as I saw you give your definition towards the bottom of your post. Then I thought, "why bother?" I figure name-calling trolls prefer somethingawful and urbandictionary.com to a real dictionary anyway.

You got class, bro. No, really, I mean it.


The argument was settled by CCP before the thread even started?

You mean when a CSM member posted on page 2 and essentially said "OGB isn't going anywhere" because it's too much of a hassle to re-work it?

Yet, somehow, you're still convinced that a 3-year-old comment by CCP Fozzie means that any day now, the banhammer will drop on OGB, and you will all be vindicated?
I don't know if you've ever read the definition of "delusional".... but, damn.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#299 - 2014-12-05 15:46:18 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:

You got class, bro. No, really, I mean it.

Yet, somehow, you're still convinced that a 3-year-old comment by CCP Fozzie means that any day now, the banhammer will drop on OGB, and you will all be vindicated?
I don't know if you've ever read the definition of "delusional".... but, damn.


You two, get a room! Seriously...

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#300 - 2014-12-05 15:46:19 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
edit: forget it



Did you finally realize that you're over-reaching pretty badly with your exceptionally loose interpretations of my statements?

I was going to say "it's plainly obvious to everyone that you haven't been reading ANYONE'S counterpoints, not just mine", and a few other things, but you don't even have the conviction to let your statements stand.


Actually the "argument" was settled by CCP before the thread even started, so I consider it a moot point. I stopped reading your post near the beginning when you suggested the FW crowd fly covert ops ships Roll

I had posted the actual definition of neckbeard, as I saw you give your definition towards the bottom of your post. Then I thought, "why bother?" I figure name-calling trolls prefer somethingawful and urbandictionary.com to a real dictionary anyway.

You got class, bro. No, really, I mean it.


The argument was settled by CCP before the thread even started?

You mean when a CSM member posted on page 2 and essentially said "OGB isn't going anywhere" because it's too much of a hassle to re-work it?

Yet, somehow, you're still convinced that a 3-year-old comment by CCP Fozzie means that any day now, the banhammer will drop on OGB, and you will all be vindicated?
I don't know if you've ever read the definition of "delusional".... but, damn.


Well what can I say, I havent shaved in a couple of days, so I guess you're right on, bro. Neck stubble and all, u know Blink