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That's a pathetic strawman, especially considering the fact that this character is an OGB.

You're saying that if offGB is nerfed, people won't use other alt tactics to turn 1v1 battles into 1v1+1 battles?

You're saying that it's fine if people use Falcons instead, even though that means that the numerically-disadvantaged party is going to be permanently-jammed?

Is this correct?


There are a lot of ways mitigating sentry fire, such as range.

Yes, you can do that, but at the cost of boosting efficiency. You can hack a brick-tanked CS with a link or two, but the impact of such a ship is going to be rather minimal, even in this 1v1+1 situation. If you want to boost tank+skirmish, you're going to be pretty thin.

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Yeah it's not that Im done responding to you, it's that, soon as I see your pic, Im just gonna scroll down to the next post. Sry.

edit: actually, Im done in this thread. As someone else said, the argument is pointless because CCP has already said they are literally actively workibng on the code to remove OGB. Send them mails and feedback or something, idk. It is what it is.

You're basically admitting to not knowing much about the things you talk about. And then you follow that up with:

Does wonders for your credibility.

Were you around when people used Falcons and/or other ships, even secondary combat ships, to roll "1v1" fights with? I was. The exact same arguments were being thrown for ideas like the removal of ECM and inability to take damage from more than one source at any given time that you see today for boosting.

You're not changing anything with this. All that's going to happen is that the month-old FW rookie you're advocating for is going to die to some other type of ship being flown by an alt. On-grid or off-grid doesn't matter, because an uneven fight is inherently unbalanced.

No, I'm not saying that, PvPPPPP is what most fights are about, I have no problems with any numerical advantage as long as all the contributing ships are on grid, and require some action from the person controlling the ships. Sure, Falcon alt is lame and gay, but it's not a broken game mechanic and in the current Game of Drones, it's not even a particularly effective tactic.

Also note that the Falcon alt will show up on the killmail, which is one of the reasons why people use links instead, they can look like l33t solo pvpers.

Seriously, I'm not in this thread QQing about unfair11!!!11 OGBs or ***** falcon alts, I simply dislike the current implementation of system-wide command links. I have used them myself for years now, I'm not in any personal disadvantage from their existence, I just think it's a ****** mechanic that needs to be improved, and doing that would improve the game experience for everyone.

People could, and can, control two ships just fine; that's not the issue with using alts. The reason that boosting has overtaken other forms of alt usage is that 1v1 fights are almost extinct now, and boosting has more utility in group engagements. Back in 2006/2007, around the time that Falcons were public enemy number one, the game was smaller, and solo fights were actually a thing, but only in spirit, because people always used alts to get an advantage.

Removing offGB now would bring back those Falcon days, and it would also ruin small-gang engagements at the same time, for reasons I've described (with math) earlier in the thread. I am not defending offGB; I am saying that removing boosts entirely would be the better solution if offGB is to be killed off, because at least it will retain the balance of power in uneven group engagements.


This wasn't a deterrent back then, and it won't be now.

I don't think there was any contention with this point to begin with. It makes sense that any form of remote assistance would transfer over timers after Crimewatch was implemented.

However, I'm unsure how to treat the regular leadership bonuses in this case. On one hand, they're also a form of remote assistance. On the other, everyone can have them, and all you need to do is be in a fleet. I guess we can agree to treat them as a special case.

Edit: to be clear, boosting should have timer inheritance, and not just create a weapons timer when used.

No Im saying I own and sometimes fly (frequently the grim since it was my first) 3 of the 4 recons, and I'm pretty sure that none of them can be out of range of gate guns and have any effect on a battle at the gate, as you implied with your comment that "there are ways around sentry gun mechanics, such as range"

Please correct me if I'm wrong. and maybe apologize for the ad hom and the misinformation if I'm not?



Well honey, it aint helpin yours any that you spout BS and then get snickety when someone calls it BS. I know my Damnation runs 4 perfect boosts and is still tanked all to hell and back. If that not good enough for you, Aivo Dresden, WHO IS ARGUING ON YOUR SIDE OF THE DEBATE as a matter of fact, says, for example:

Since I'm in a WH corp, I regularly fly my "boost alt" around in a combat fit Eos. If you think it really makes that much of a difference to have the boosts on grid, you're wrong. It's the perception of it being unfair what gets to you. I've not lost a single Eos in battle and people often primary it. If anything it's even better than sitting of station. A 250K EHP Eos is really not what you want to be forced to call primary.


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I've often rocked my Eos in small gang fleets. It's not once died and it gets called primary almost every time. You really don't want to be forced to shoot a brick tanked ship

Wanna ask him how ineffective his 250kEHP booster is? Think he'll agree with you that it's "crippled" or "less effective" because it's so survivable? Again, what you're spouting aint facts, yet you accuse me of not knowing what Im talking about when I call you out on it, rather than finding any proof (because there is none) to support your claims.

You throw out utter misinformation and then get persnickety when someone calls you on it. You contribute nothing to the side of the argument you support. You hurt it, really, because 1 person acting the fool makes ppl wonder if everyone "on that person's side" is a fool.



Dude, in my day we had to walk to school barefoot in the snow, UPHILL BOTH WAYS, I SAY, and by gawd, we were thankful for it!

Srsly, that has no relevance the the issue of OGB's other than to whine about a prior nerf while you whine about the current nerf thats coming, no matter how much you stomp your hanky on the forums with your misinformation, straw men, and slippery slopes.



You're not changing anything either, so why do you seem so emotionally invested in this thread? Also, slippery slope again.

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POSes have to be anchored first, wormholes have to be found first.
Right now, people ROAMING in frigates take offgrid boosters with them, because they´re just so safe.