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What about Off Grid Boosting?

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Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#221 - 2014-12-05 08:54:28 UTC
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:


We're usually talking firgates here in FW, right? Here's some facts for you

Expanded Probe Launcher 1 - 220 CPU to fit
Expanded Probe Launcher 2 - 242 CPU to fit.
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher - 242 CPU to fit.

Sorry my friend, but this time your post looks rather like a troll, as what youre suggesting is not really feasible.


A fairly typical fit for me is to have an offlined SOE expanded probe launcher. If I find something on dscan that looks like it needs probing I offline other mods and online the probe launcher.
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#222 - 2014-12-05 08:58:05 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Charlie Firpol wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Daemun Khanid wrote:
...just annoying when you have to deal with uber solo frigs with loki links...


Get your own links and not be solo? Wow, that was hard. This game sucks, let's all go play Elite instead.

What kind of arguement is that? Get the same as your enemy, but more? Damn, you´re good at game balancing and tactics.


What kind of counter-argument is that?
It sounds like you just want everyone to let you win.

This is where my country went wrong, was by telling kids that they're all winners, giving everyone a trophy, and punishing talent, intellect, and skill, because it makes everyone else feel inferior. You realize you were supposed to naturally grow out of that in high school, right?


Probably supposed to grow out of calling people "neckbeards" too, brofus. Roll


Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#223 - 2014-12-05 09:05:03 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
If we can agree that the nerf would stop with the timer and potentially kill-mails and sensor strength rebalancing (though the latter would only need a very small adjustment, since scanning is much stronger now), then we should just go through with it and put the matter to rest. IF. Keyword "if."


The timer addresses the issue of boosters exploiting sentry gun mechanics on gates and on station, but doesnt matter at all to the booster in a deep safe because nobody in a frig (remember, OP is talking about FW, which is mostly ppl running around in frigs) can fit an expanded probe launcher anyway?
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#224 - 2014-12-05 09:10:36 UTC
Brutus Le'montac wrote:
Train up for an ogb yourself, or stop whining. this is clearly the "he cant haz nice things cuz i dont haz them" kinda behavior.

people invested months of training and subscription to train for it.


Nope, I bought myself a very nice booster for 7B. Did I get that 7B buy spending around $100 rl cash on plex to sell, or did I get it in-game because I have an older toon that can generate that much isk? At least option 1 is "pay to win" and option 2 still puts the newer players who cant afford that at a disadvantage.

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its also a compleet valid mechanic.


I see you havent read the numerous posts where CCP is quoted as saying it is not a valid mechanic and that they intend to change it ASAP.

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so its easy, get one yourself or stop your whining behavior.


How bout read the thread before shiptoasting?
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#225 - 2014-12-05 09:16:06 UTC
This kind of bothers me. I have an OGB and I don't think people realize it takes like a year of focused training to max out leadership and get Command ships kills. It's like 20m SP all included. Then add in the fact you need to keep that account active and paid for, for a year while you train it, and keep subscribing it for the boosts once it's done training.

A lot of the comments I read are people complaining they can't beat another guy because he's got boosts. Well you're not fighting 1v1. You're fighting 2v1. It's kind of normal to get killed in those situations. If you had 2 accounts as well you could go harass the booster and force him to dock, then you can get your fair fight with the other pilot. Or you can bring your own logi, ewar, ... do something else to turn the odds.

Before OGBs were a think people just had a Falcon or Pilgrim following them. 2 accounts will always be better than 1 account and if OGB gets removed people will just find a new, better use for their 2nd account that gives them the upper hand in fights. Will you complain about the next best thing too? Or will you just accept that 2 accounts get the upper hand on 1 account and get a 2nd one as well?
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#226 - 2014-12-05 09:21:22 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:


We're usually talking firgates here in FW, right? Here's some facts for you

Expanded Probe Launcher 1 - 220 CPU to fit
Expanded Probe Launcher 2 - 242 CPU to fit.
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher - 242 CPU to fit.

Sorry my friend, but this time your post looks rather like a troll, as what youre suggesting is not really feasible.


A fairly typical fit for me is to have an offlined SOE expanded probe launcher. If I find something on dscan that looks like it needs probing I offline other mods and online the probe launcher.


Fair enough.
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#227 - 2014-12-05 09:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabarian Thraxx
Aivo Dresden wrote:
This kind of bothers me. I have an OGB and I don't think people realize it takes like a year of focused training to max out leadership and get Command ships kills. It's like 20m SP all included.


OK guys, I promise this is the 2nd to last time (cuz I got another post inc) that I'm going to repeat this:

I bought a very nicely trained booster alt for 7B. I use him offgrid too becuase wth everyone else does, right? Didnt take me ANY TIME AT ALL, ALL IT TOOK WAS ISK I COULD GET WITH RL MONEY VIA PLEX.

As for scanner alts, I regularly raise them on my trader accounts (the traders have all the skills they need) and have no trouble selling em for a few billion isk a piece, which, again, is obtainable via RL Money --> Plex --> ISK.

Its freaking pay to win. Even for what little part I play in it as I say above, I still no it's BS too, and Im not gonna gripe when it's taken care of.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#228 - 2014-12-05 09:32:37 UTC
So again, why shouldn't 2 accounts be better than 1 account, regardless of how you got the character? Is owning more than 1 account pay to win now?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2014-12-05 09:34:47 UTC
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
This kind of bothers me. I have an OGB and I don't think people realize it takes like a year of focused training to max out leadership and get Command ships kills. It's like 20m SP all included.


OK guys, I promise this is the 2nd to last time (cuz I got another post inc) that I'm going to repeat this:

I bought a very nicely trained booster alt for 7B. I use him offgrid too becuase wth everyone else does, right? Didnt take me ANY TIME AT ALL, ALL IT TOOK WAS ISK I COULD GET WITH RL MONEY VIA PLEX.

As for scanner alts, I regularly raise them on my trader accounts (the traders have all the skills they need) and have no trouble selling em for a few billion isk a piece, which, again, is obtainable via RL Money --> Plex --> ISK.

Its freaking pay to win. Even for what little part I play in it as I say above, I still no it's BS too, and Im not gonna gripe when it's taken care of.


Except it's not pay to win, because having links =/= automatic win whether they're on or off grid.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2014-12-05 09:37:16 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
So again, why shouldn't 2 accounts be better than 1 account, regardless of how you got the character? Is owning more than 1 account pay to win now?


Because managing two accounts simultaneously requires you to divide your attention. If you're fighting on a frigate on one account and paying a lot of attention there, you might not think to dscan for the probes homing in on your booster alt.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#231 - 2014-12-05 09:37:54 UTC
When OGB gets removed, we'll just bring a recon alt instead. Give it a week before people come to the forums to complain how OP neuts, jams, damps, ... on recons are. At the end of the day, it ultimately still comes down to 2 accounts are better than 1 account. You'll have to deal wit it.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#232 - 2014-12-05 09:43:11 UTC
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
I see you havent read the numerous posts where CCP is quoted as saying it is not a valid mechanic and that they intend to change it ASAP.

Link even one post by CCP saying it's not a valid mechanic.
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#233 - 2014-12-05 09:43:20 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
So again, why shouldn't 2 accounts be better than 1 account, regardless of how you got the character? Is owning more than 1 account pay to win now?


Is owning more than 1 account the same thing as buying a pretrained character or are you making completely illogical connections?


Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#234 - 2014-12-05 09:47:37 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
When OGB gets removed, we'll just bring a recon alt instead. Give it a week before people come to the forums to complain how OP neuts, jams, damps, ... on recons are. At the end of the day, it ultimately still comes down to 2 accounts are better than 1 account. You'll have to deal wit it.

At least I will be able to shoot at that recon alt. Well, unless it is a Falcon. Ugh
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#235 - 2014-12-05 09:47:52 UTC
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
Is owning more than 1 account the same thing as buying a pretrained character or are you making completely illogical connections?

It's not really relevant how the character was acquired is it? You have an alt OGB, how you got it is irrelevant. One took time, the other took dollars, which ultimately are time as well. You earn your cash working, spending time. If someone wants to pay $250 for an OGB, or instead just spend the ingame time training it, the end result is the same, an alt account with an OGB char on it.

If you want to complain about the character bazaar being "pay to win", go make a thread for that instead.
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#236 - 2014-12-05 09:49:57 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
I see you havent read the numerous posts where CCP is quoted as saying it is not a valid mechanic and that they intend to change it ASAP.

Link even one post by CCP saying it's not a valid mechanic.


CCP Fozzie says they WILL remove it ASAP, and I'm going to give u TWO quotes on that. Now I suppose you'll overly parse and nitpick and say "uhh well they didnt say it was an invalid mechanic, they just said its no good and theyre gonna get rid of it, not the same thing, neckbeard hurrr hurrr"

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3077992#post3077992

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3079425#post3079425






Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#237 - 2014-12-05 09:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabarian Thraxx
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Sabarian Thraxx wrote:
Is owning more than 1 account the same thing as buying a pretrained character or are you making completely illogical connections?

It's not really relevant how the character was acquired is it? You have an alt OGB, how you got it is irrelevant. One took time, the other took dollars, which ultimately are time as well. You earn your cash working, spending time. If someone wants to pay $250 for an OGB, or instead just spend the ingame time training it, the end result is the same, an alt account with an OGB char on it.

If you want to complain about the character bazaar being "pay to win", go make a thread for that instead.


Maybe I will make that thread, but the concept certainly PERTAINS to this thread as well, because you people keep making the argument that you spent so much time levelling up your boosters and I'm PROVING that its an invalid argument because any month old schmuck with daddy's credit card can buy an offgrid booster thats just as good if not better than your precious toon you spent a year levelling. GET IT?

And man, cmon, dude there is a difference between spending time levelling up your guy and "spending time working irl to make the rl cash u use to buy one." Cmon dude, are u really serious? So ANY P2W game is legit because hell, we all gotta work, right? Why cant we spend our hard-earned money on what we want?

Hell, lets bring back the Incrana micro transactions while we're at it. Its already done by proxy via plex for aurum.

edit: s c h m u c k is censored? really CCP? Roll
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#238 - 2014-12-05 10:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
There's no guarantee you'll win with an OGB, or any amount of accounts or characters for that matter. So inherently it isn't pay to win.

You're really just complaining someone with more accounts beats you in a straight up fight. Unless you want to restrict EVE to 1 login per IP or something, you'll never be in the right here. If someone can log in multiple accounts and bring those to the fight, the opponent is going to be in a rough spot, OGB, recon, or otherwise. Doesn't mean he can't disengage or even still beat you though.
Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#239 - 2014-12-05 10:04:50 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
So again, why shouldn't 2 accounts be better than 1 account, regardless of how you got the character? Is owning more than 1 account pay to win now?


Because managing two accounts simultaneously requires you to divide your attention. If you're fighting on a frigate on one account and paying a lot of attention there, you might not think to dscan for the probes homing in on your booster alt.


I semi-afk my booster on another computer with its monitor next the the main one. The Dscan window is front and center the whole time, with the mouse pointer on "scan." Even while fighting, it's not a feat by any means to click the second mouse's button every so often. And yep, 'soon as I see probes I (being already aligned of course) dock up. Them thar Damnations aint cheap, hoss!




Sabarian Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#240 - 2014-12-05 10:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabarian Thraxx
Aivo Dresden wrote:
There's no guarantee you'll win with an OGB, or any amount of accounts or characters for that matter. So inherently it isn't pay to win.


How bout we agree to call it "Pay to have an advantage?" Can you admit that thaat is fair?

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You're really just complaining someone with more accounts beats you in a straight up fight. Unless you want to restrict EVE to 1 login per IP or something, you'll never be in the right here. If someone can log in multiple accounts and bring those to the fight, the opponent is going to be in a rough spot, OGB, recon, or otherwise. Doesn't mean he can't disengage or even still beat you though.


No Im not. I run 5 accounts, man, one of which has my dirty little OGB. Obviously I dont have a problem with multi-boxing. So that being said, thats not the argument Im making at all, I;m saying that OFFGRID BOOSTING is bullhockey. It is a clear strawman to claim I am arguing against multiple accounts. You can have a real person with only 1 account running offgrid boosts and it would still be bullhockey. Do you REALY not see the difference or are you just being obtuse now?

EDIT: Anyway guys, as has been linked numerous times in this thread by numerous people, including most recently me, CCP doesnt like OGB and they are actively working on the code to get rid of it. So tbh there's no reaosn for us to argue here, if you have a problem with it take it up with CCP. They disagree with you Blink