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Strong Empire gameplay, strong Empire lore, strong Empires

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Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2014-12-05 01:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Vulxanis Viceroy
Samira Kernher wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
It would be nice to have the bans lifted from CCP actors being in player channels.

I'd love to have the Kor-Azor heir visit Vulxanis (who is distantly related to him) at his holdings. So that Vulxanis can personally reaffirm his loyalty, and hopefully, be able to please him with his efforts regarding his holdings.


No offense, Vulx, but this is the kind of thing that CCP should not be doing.

CCP actors shouldn't be used for just furthering a single individual player's personal storyline. Their time is limited and they have a lot more important things to be doing.


Oh of course, no I was indulging in a selfish "if only" world lol. No, I agree with you. I've just put a lot of work into this character and it would be nice to have some validation lol That's all I meant :P It was more of a "Ho-hum" than a real suggestion. Chill :P

Samira Kernher wrote:
Actors should be there to provide an official, factional representation at large, public events that players have taken the time and effort to organize for other players, or to answer, on a limited level, player-driven efforts to move EVE's overall story along. Their time should be spent doing things that benefit the game and the playerbase as a whole, not individuals. Even if actors were about, you should absolutely not have the attention of one unless you're hosting a big, open event that multiple players will have access to and will benefit from.


Yes, but even still it would be an amazing immersion aspect if we could actually invite characters to events and such.

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Pronounced "Vulzanis"

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Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2014-12-05 01:11:29 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Some in game way to actually 'earn' holdings rather than simply inventing them. Or Capsuleer version of holdings. That would however be a good way to go forward to support the Empires. It's not 'your' Sov, it's Amarr Sov (or whoever), but you are allowed to officially live there. Rather than simply having a pile of junk in the station and flying there.

That sort of thing would go towards supporting the Empires in game.


This would be pretty cool... except that it would be so easily exploited it would ruin the point.

*sigh* I KNOW some people will take away "holdings" from roleplayers. And asking for a "Amarr rp police" to only hand out "holdings" when you create your character's holdings to your specifications would be a bit much to ask.

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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-12-05 04:17:29 UTC
I like an even spread of updates and the empires are over due for an overhaul


It would be cool if they could launch bot fleets to wipe out sov...that could be awesome and Alliance screwing Twisted

The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be

Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2014-12-05 04:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vulxanis Viceroy
Vapor Ventrillian wrote:
It would be cool if they could launch bot fleets to wipe out sov...that could be awesome and Alliance screwing Twisted


+1?

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-12-05 05:44:56 UTC
Actually, empires pinching sovereignty from player alliances and forcing them further out into nullsec would be a great way to lead into the new constructible/destructible stargates supposedly coming out next year.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Jade Blackwind
#26 - 2014-12-05 10:29:06 UTC
+1

A varied game with better immersion factor is a stronger game that will live longer and bring more revenue in the end. Not to mention it is much more fun to play than a barebones dog-eat-dog player-run sandbox.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-12-05 17:32:02 UTC
If I want to experience the uncertainty of danger of living in capsuleer-controlled space, I can go to nullsec - which I have done. If I step into Empire space, I most certainly want the impression that the place is run by the Empires, and that capsuleers are merely allowed to live and work there.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#28 - 2014-12-05 19:42:46 UTC
That would be awesome, and the lore would be finally used in game Bear
Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#29 - 2014-12-07 12:29:01 UTC
A(nother) small first step could be dealing with that sticky thread in this forum : Capsuleers! Declare Your Loyalty!. Hasn't been looked at for 16 months now... yet people still post there.

Until all are free...

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#30 - 2014-12-07 16:28:07 UTC
There is also a list of faction contacts. As far as I can tell, the devs have stopped checking the mailboxes of those characters and/or responding to players.
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-12-08 23:23:26 UTC
+1
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#32 - 2014-12-09 02:50:00 UTC
+1 to this. I don't know if I buy into the idea that CCP is trying to push people out of hi-sec but I do agree as far as the lore needs more love and also need more events that are simpler for the lore team to handle, such as the research race.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-12-09 13:47:27 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
+1 to this. I don't know if I buy into the idea that CCP is trying to push people out of hi-sec but I do agree as far as the lore needs more love and also need more events that are simpler for the lore team to handle, such as the research race.

Except not the Research Race because that was a joke and feeds into a bad style of game mechanic.

But yeah, simpler events, definitely.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#34 - 2014-12-09 15:49:15 UTC
I think the research race was fine. I just think timeframe needs work. Maybe complete all vessels then release 2-3 weeks apart rather than 6
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-12-19 05:21:45 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I think the research race was fine. I just think timeframe needs work. Maybe complete all vessels then release 2-3 weeks apart rather than 6

That'd be better, but still not ideal.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2014-12-19 15:56:47 UTC
While I agree with the OP and would love to have more Empire based story. I think the current trend towards the storyline focused on w-space and stuff like Arek'Jellan is CCP is trying not to play favorites. Everyone can go to Thera and get involved regardless of factional loyalty. Everyone could send w-space goodies to Arek'Jellan. The research race was concurrent so all four empires (and independants) had equal attention for the event. I don't blame CCP for trying to come up with plotlines that can be more inclusive. If they go back to Empire storylines, people will complain when those stories don't go their way, or if their faction doesn't get as much attention as the others.

They had a good thing going when they brought back event actors. It's a shame that it was ruined along the way.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#37 - 2014-12-20 13:08:30 UTC
I completely agree with the OP.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#38 - 2014-12-25 14:28:01 UTC
Allright, this thread has been brought to my attention and I suppose I should pitch in my 0.2 isk.

New Eden as a cluster has stagnated, immeasurably so. There hasn't been any development in any of the four Empires for ages. When it was yelled about loudly enough, there was one brief mention about an election in the Federation. The Republic and Federation's "thing" with Midular went nowhere and nothing has changed. The Empire is more stagnant and boring than it's ever been and there's no progress at all in the on-going Minmatar/Amarr conflict. No, FW systems changing hands are not "progress".

We see some half-hearted pushing of hurr-durr content like A'J and nothing comes from even that kind of all-inclusive (and thus exclusive to the lowest common denominator) stuff.

Where are the faction specific storylines? Where is the progress in the Republic? Where is the progress in the Empire? What is going on at the State's Homeworld? Is the Federation pushing for peace? Where is New Eden going? Nowhere, as far as anyone can tell. There's nothing happening in New Eden that isn't some weird w-space space magic thing or completely unrelatable hurr durr in Jove space.

W-spacers and such need their time in the sun too, I have no problem with that, but completely ignoring the main empires is just completely missing the mark. Develop the world, let someone (besides the Amarr) have a win for once. Not some "well, everybody lost. Let's keep things completely unchanged" crap that we've been fed for the last several years in these conflicts.

A living and vibrant community needs a living and vibrant world to live in. Let the world develop. Hell, do it all in Chronicles for all I care, just make the factions move on. Shake things up. Break the alliances between Republic/Federation and Amarr/State. Make the damn pendulum war a four way melee. Have the Republic break apart into the individual tribes as the Federation finally had enough and cuts off the Republic. Have the State and Federation make a proper peace treaty or something. The Empire breaks into Loyalist and Orthodox factions as the Empress releases all slaves and the civil war over it starts. Anything other than this dull, unchanging world where there is no reason to even play anymore.

A sandbox is only a living vibrant place when it's still shifting and things get built and torn down. When everyone's built their little castles and structures and it's all explored, it dies. Make an earthquake. Tear down what has been built and force everyone to adapt to a new New Eden, and the sandbox will become truly alive and vibrant again as everyone scrambles to build what they envision, and others try their damnedest to tear it back down again.

THAT is Eve. That is the sandbox we know and love.

A static unchanging world is not.
Kenji Noguchi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-01-01 18:39:48 UTC
I agree with what has been said in this thread.

I also think "loyalist" behavior should be rewarded somehow. If a corporation has devoted its existence to work for Lai-Dai during years, for example, it's CEO should be consulted with developments regarding Lai-Dai, as a show of trust on the part of the NPC corporation. Just an idea.
Velarra
#40 - 2015-01-03 03:42:03 UTC
I used to enjoy regularly reading Chronicles. Chronicles that covered the lives of base liners as much as how various staple technologies in New Eden worked. Chronicles that expanded the pathos of New Eden and its harsh nature. Not simply news snippets or rushed fictional stories used to market and sell new minigames and activities or ships it's presumed people will want to play with. Chronicles that gave eve flavor, heart and depth, without being labored down by meta-plot and lore that characters will likely never get to know about.