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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#621 - 2014-11-25 20:05:07 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!?


AFK Cloaking, Highsec Ganking, Goons, CODE., and General Discussion Trolls are all pretty solid bets. Take your pick.

GOD DAMNIT MAN! That was perfectly good coffee that I just spit out!

As someone who started using isboxer recently, I'm glad to see it go.

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Vera Denjuros
Black Void Forges
#622 - 2014-11-25 20:05:22 UTC
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.


If you cant manage to multibox 4 chars without Isboxer then you should just unsub right now, jebus
Gommel Nox
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#623 - 2014-11-25 20:05:39 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Gommel Nox wrote:
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have.

In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.


I've already posted this multiple times, but KEYBINDINGS are not banned, that should include custom machros so long as they're not used for multi broadcast

If you use voice recognition software/macro to send ONE command to ONE client at a time, you are OK. It's sending ONE command to MULTIPLE clients AT THE SAME TIME that is banned.


Thanks for clarifying, but you'll forgive me if I'd rather get the word of the developers over yours. I'm sure you are very important in ways that your mother appreciates, but you don't make this game, do you?
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#624 - 2014-11-25 20:06:03 UTC
Gommel Nox wrote:
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have.

In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor playing, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.


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kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#625 - 2014-11-25 20:06:04 UTC
Grim Starwind wrote:
Holy crap, how some people can't understand this and yet still manage to play EVE is amazing.

If you use a program to somehow input the same action in to more than one account at the exact same time, you are being illegal. It is not allowed.

If you have a keyboard macro that inputs F1-F5 one after the other to activate say a bunch of hardness. That is okay.

Pretty basic poop here. I dunno if it's more to counter isboxer bombers or more than likely farmers mining using 10 accounts all at once. Which you can still do but with more effort.


Not unallowed yet :)
KeeperRus
Doomheim
#626 - 2014-11-25 20:06:11 UTC
FunGu Arsten wrote:
Xython wrote:
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Also the dude iskboxing 20 mining accounts wasnt going to use those too activly use those to make eve a more exciting place, rather then his own gain.


"The dude" is up to over 80, actually, according ot the iskboxer dev.


funny thing is... he doesn't actualy need "broadcasting"/"automation functions".. and i hope he keeps mining them ice :D


That is what I have been trying to say... This so called nerf to ISboxer does nothing. Why? Because a very very small percentage that used ISboxer multi broadcast while the majority used it with single.

So this hoopla that woot GJ CCP does nothing. They will still play, still kill you and in more numbers than 10 =)

Props to the guy who ran 30 accounts in pvp cause I have seen him do a 30 man fleet better than most of the 30 man fleets in eve.

Again lets recap:

1. Changes nothing.
2. You are still gonna die.
3. One guy can and will still do incursions with 10 acc.
4. Whoever used multi for mining or pvp anyways? I mean really?
5. Plex prices? Seriously? That's not changing anytime soon either.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#627 - 2014-11-25 20:06:19 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
o i only bind the keys to like broadcast for reps, broadcast for shields etc to make it easier to know where the keys are insted of pressing multiple of keys to do that function

and sometimes i use the gkeys to add a fraction second or multi second delay in a ungrouped weapon configuration so they fire constantly


is both illegal now?


As far as remapping shortcuts, you can already do that in Eve. So I'm sure thats fine.

But, you have a keybind that not only presses the fire buttons for you, but also presses them at a specific interval that matches the firing rate of another bound weapon system? I'd call that input automation, m8.

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Loan--Wolf
Ace's And 8's
#628 - 2014-11-25 20:06:25 UTC
about dam time isboxer is stoped

and to all the people yelling im unsubing 500 accounts to try and force ccp from the change is prof enouff that isboxer is harming eve in the first place
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#629 - 2014-11-25 20:07:07 UTC
Gommel Nox wrote:
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have.

In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor playing, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.


Your best bet on this would be to file a specific petition including as much detail as possible on your setup. Your situation is so unique that I would seek individual clarification.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

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Bisu Deckryder
Definitely Not Cloaked LLC
#630 - 2014-11-25 20:07:18 UTC
Gommel Nox wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Gommel Nox wrote:
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have.

In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.


I've already posted this multiple times, but KEYBINDINGS are not banned, that should include custom machros so long as they're not used for multi broadcast

If you use voice recognition software/macro to send ONE command to ONE client at a time, you are OK. It's sending ONE command to MULTIPLE clients AT THE SAME TIME that is banned.


Thanks for clarifying, but you'll forgive me if I'd rather get the word of the developers over yours. I'm sure you are very important in ways that your mother appreciates, but you don't make this game, do you?

CCP has also answered that question. Maybe try reading?
Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#631 - 2014-11-25 20:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Demitrios
Like this argument hasn't come up before...

So kudos to CCP for going full re-tard, at least we have Elite Dangerous.
Cyrus Doul
kotitekoinen sissijuusto
#632 - 2014-11-25 20:07:57 UTC
I isbox 5 accounts and i do still pay for the game with CC, and have to buy plex to sell all the time to make isk, 6 years into this game and I'm still terrible

Also for the love of god people. when someone isboxes and gets enough to run 20 accounts. that IS 20 SUBS WORTH OF MONEY! its actually more as month to month is 15 dollars for a total of 300 a month. where plex is 20 dollars for a total of 400 a month. CCP makes more off isboxers then they do you.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#633 - 2014-11-25 20:08:12 UTC
KeeperRus wrote:
FunGu Arsten wrote:
Xython wrote:
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Also the dude iskboxing 20 mining accounts wasnt going to use those too activly use those to make eve a more exciting place, rather then his own gain.


"The dude" is up to over 80, actually, according ot the iskboxer dev.


funny thing is... he doesn't actualy need "broadcasting"/"automation functions".. and i hope he keeps mining them ice :D


That is what I have been trying to say... This so called nerf to ISboxer does nothing. Why? Because a very very small percentage that used ISboxer multi broadcast while the majority used it with single.

So this hoopla that woot GJ CCP does nothing. They will still play, still kill you and in more numbers than 10 =)

Props to the guy who ran 30 accounts in pvp cause I have seen him do a 30 man fleet better than most of the 30 man fleets in eve.

Again lets recap:

1. Changes nothing.
2. You are still gonna die.
3. One guy can and will still do incursions with 10 acc.
4. Whoever used multi for mining or pvp anyways? I mean really?
5. Plex prices? Seriously? That's not changing anytime soon either.


:), lets hope so. it would've been funny to die to him (lol)
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#634 - 2014-11-25 20:08:37 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!?


AFK Cloaking, Highsec Ganking, Goons, CODE., and General Discussion Trolls are all pretty solid bets. Take your pick.


I would blame you, U@E, but it's obvious you cannot be the cause of my problems, because if you were, you would be unsuccesful at causing the problems in the first place.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
Toria Nynys
Surly Dinos
#635 - 2014-11-25 20:09:01 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Toria Nynys wrote:
With everyone screaming about unsubbing as a result of that I just have to pipe up with:

+4 accounts re-subbed while my ISK lasts and 1 with $. After thinking about it longer this is a fantastic and long overdue policy change.



Hell I'm debating on making a 3rd account now.

What CCP lost is 100 people who used ingame plex to destroy ccp's bandwidth (CCP never saw a dime). Maybe I'm wrong and the guy who had 80 accounts actually paid $1,200 per month to keep them all running. I doubt it.

Bravo CCP. Bravo.


Well, someone had to have bought the PLEX at some point, so a lost account is still a lost account. In fact, CCP get more $ per plexed account than one subbed a year at a time -- my $131.40 would bring in nearly $240 if paid for in PLEX.

Still, I think we should spread the word re: supporting CCP for this change. Around 2010 I unsubbed all 3 of my accounts for *years* as a result of "greed is good." Now that CCP has changed the game for the better I think I owe them some income. 4B a month is gonna hurt a bunch (heck, it took me 6 months to make my first billion!) but I'm going to spread the word. If people like this change then they should consider pitching in for a PLEX to reactivate an old useless account or even start a new alt. Support the game changes you like with $!
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#636 - 2014-11-25 20:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
30+ pages and no significant CODE. presence cheering the massive blow to "bot aspirants"? Forget the tear collectors, we need pooper-scoopers around here....




(To clarify: I have no particular issue with CODE., CODE. members, or hisec suicide ganking. I just find it highly ironic that they of all people would be silent about this given that they claim to work so hard to stop such bot-like activity for the benefit of New Eden.)

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Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#637 - 2014-11-25 20:09:33 UTC
Chalithra Lathar wrote:
ISboxer here.

To be completely honest, multiboxing was the primary reason I even considered trying EVE online in the first place. I would not be posting on these forums today if not for the fact that ISboxing was allowed in the game.

Seeing a move like this is a real bummer, but kudos for spelling it out before hand instead of doing it Blizzard style and ninjaing it in. Big smile

unfortunately, I like to speak with my wallet with this issue, and can no longer support CCP at this time.

It will be interesting to see the effect of not only the in-game markets, but the subscriber numbers as a whole.

fly safe o7

I am laughing so hard because of posts like this.
Multiboxing, just like ISBoxer, are still allowed. You just can't use the key and mouse broadcasting features of programs. All CCP did was add some effort to those who run multiple accounts, removed the ridiculous crap of using 30-80 accounts at a time, helped PLEX prices drop like a rock which is something most of us wanted, and improved the game for a lot more people than they would lose. HTFU you morons.
Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#638 - 2014-11-25 20:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sylphy
This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.

Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up in the next 3 months. Not just plexes, but other mineral/ice made stuff when the influx of materials dwindles down some, but then again, maybe we'll see Tritanium's price go back to 10isk/unit.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#639 - 2014-11-25 20:10:22 UTC
I am setting up a home for orphaned Skiffs. Please contract me all your Skiffs you no longer use because ISBoxer is no longer available to you. I will make sure they will be well maintained and regularly fed mining crystals. Save the Skiffs! Thank you!

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#640 - 2014-11-25 20:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Systimus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.

If you never used it to do anything other than auto pilot or dock, why would this bother you at all? Smile

You should probably get your story straight.

Personally I don't care one way or the other, but there are a few good points to all this.

1: Restrictions on bomber use don't have to be as severe.
2: More people will be able to make their living mining.
3: Wealth is better distributed across the general population of miners.
4: PLEX prices will drop quickly, which will be welcome news to many.

To explain the latter, your average ISBoxer miner pays for all of his accounts with PLEX purchased off the market with ISK. His tolerance for higher PLEX prices is MUCH higher than the average EVE player due to his extremely high income stream per account he is funding. In other words, the large number of "high rollers" providing a steady market for over priced PLEX will be sharply and suddenly curtailed.

Which I never had a problem with ISBoxer being in game, even I have to admit this helps to solve a lot of problems.


Ranger, I find you really offensive. My story straight ?

I think ccp need to clarify what they intend to ban. Any action that affects the universe ...... If using auto pilot or docking is specifically excempt then please ccp clarify. Also, I have never plexd any account and pay for all 4 every month with real money. I don't do pvp on any of my accounts and I find mining relaxing. I feel mining with 1 account a little boring but mining with 4 much more enjoyable. Do I gave an advantage over someone playing with a single account maybe. But if they wanted to pay for 4 accounts they could have that advantage too.

You aren't making much sense my friend.

Multiple accounts are still fine.

Using ISBoxer to control them all with simultaneously is not fine.

Are you seriously asking us to believe that if the program you use to "auto pilot or dock" your 4 accounts with is taken away things will become to complicated for you and you'll need to cancel accounts? REALLY? Big smile

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