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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#641 - 2014-11-25 20:12:23 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.

Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up by about 150% in the next 3 months.

Sorry, no. This is how an MMO thrives. People being able to "pay to win" (which is exactly what ISBOXed bomber and mining fleets were doing) is a bad idea.

Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.

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Carebears on Fire
#642 - 2014-11-25 20:13:11 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.

Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up by about 150% in the next 3 months.


The logical fallacies in this post are simply breath taking. Go, just go, and never darken our doorstep again.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#643 - 2014-11-25 20:13:18 UTC
eiedu wrote:
RIP incursions
RIP Ratting
RIP bombing


Nope. These activities will become much more fun since the ISBoxers aren't going to be squeezing you out of the niche.

eiedu wrote:
Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts


I know people who use multiple accounts in WoW without input broadcasting. ISBoxer still helps with things like binding certain keys to one client and other keys to a different client. There's no broadcasting going on there (i.e.: only one client is acting on input).

eiedu wrote:
How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise


Multiple clients sending the same instruction at the same time. It's pretty easy to detect server-side.

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Rainbow Knights
#644 - 2014-11-25 20:14:05 UTC
Trogdor Losshelin wrote:
SO, this does nothing to ISBoxer, just FYI. It does mean we have to change some stuff (us lazy boxers).


So, you put 10 dps overview windows next to each other and click each one in order. - Targeting fixed
You put two watchlists next to eachother and click each one in order.- Logi fixed
You put targeting windows next to eachother and click each one in order. - Additional Target managment issues fixed.
Or you use drones, which now only requires drone assist to be manual. - Mutiboxing Fixed.

Take a look at this pic.

http://teabbs.com/images/arcpvp6x.jpg

Just click down the line on what you want to target or shoot or the module you want to activate = win.

This is impossible for 20+ accounts but honestly most of us Multi-boxers don't like those dudes anyways.



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Ming Vue
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#645 - 2014-11-25 20:14:17 UTC
anyone really look at the amount of isk per hour a mining fleet makes using isboxer and t1 lasers ... it's really kinda sad the person makes acrap ton ... but each acount makes scraps
Strata Maslav
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#646 - 2014-11-25 20:14:31 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Sylphy wrote:
This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.

Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up by about 150% in the next 3 months.

Sorry, no. This is how an MMO thrives. People being able to "pay to win" (which is exactly what ISBOXed bomber and mining fleets were doing) is a bad idea.

Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.


If I buy plex sell it and buy a titan and kill someone's carrier with a dooms day isn't that pay to win?
Gommel Nox
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#647 - 2014-11-25 20:14:34 UTC
Bisu Deckryder wrote:
Gommel Nox wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Gommel Nox wrote:
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have.

In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.


I've already posted this multiple times, but KEYBINDINGS are not banned, that should include custom machros so long as they're not used for multi broadcast

If you use voice recognition software/macro to send ONE command to ONE client at a time, you are OK. It's sending ONE command to MULTIPLE clients AT THE SAME TIME that is banned.


Thanks for clarifying, but you'll forgive me if I'd rather get the word of the developers over yours. I'm sure you are very important in ways that your mother appreciates, but you don't make this game, do you?

CCP has also answered that question. Maybe try reading?


First, I said that I hadn't read the thread. Second, I said I hadn't read the thread because it was over 30 pages long, and reading and comprehending and navigating to 30 pages would take me all day because, if you've been reading, I am disabled.

That said, I really don't think it would beThe best plan for CCP to treat me as a special case for two reasons: first, I'm not the only disabled player in this stupid game. Second, if they made an exception for me with a spinal cord injury, why couldn't they make a similar exception for someone who has MS, But more fine motor skills. Slippery slope, etc. etc.
Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#648 - 2014-11-25 20:14:51 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.


Let's check PLEX prices again in 3 months and see who was right, shall we? Marking your name and my calendar for a regular check-up on Feb 25th, 2015. I'll contact you in-game.

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Utari Onzo
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OnlyFleets.
#649 - 2014-11-25 20:14:58 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.

Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up in the next 3 months. Not just plexes, but other mineral/ice made stuff when the influx of materials dwindles down some, but then again, maybe we'll see Tritanium's price go back to 10isk/unit.


....Wut

I like you bro, I do, but that's some serious tinfoil you have there. They banned one particular use of ISBoxer and similar software that was pretty broken (multiple key broadcasts), but haven't banned multiboxing/using ISBoxer and similar software to manage your ui/windows. How's that gonna kill a game?

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Scope Works
#650 - 2014-11-25 20:15:51 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.


Let's check PLEX prices again in 3 months and see who was right, shall we? Marking your name and my calendar for a regular check-up on Feb 25th, 2015. I'll contact you in-game.


GTFO already.

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Yen Thara
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#651 - 2014-11-25 20:16:02 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.

Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up in the next 3 months. Not just plexes, but other mineral/ice made stuff when the influx of materials dwindles down some, but then again, maybe we'll see Tritanium's price go back to 10isk/unit.


Yes because banning an exploit is the same as banning scamming. Sorry you are going to have to learn how to play like the rest of us.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#652 - 2014-11-25 20:16:31 UTC
Trogdor Losshelin wrote:
SO, this does nothing to ISBoxer, just FYI. It does mean we have to change some stuff (us lazy boxers).

So, you put 10 dps overview windows next to each other and click each one in order. - Targeting fixed
You put two watchlists next to eachother and click each one in order.- Logi fixed
You put targeting windows next to eachother and click each one in order. - Additional Target managment issues fixed.
Or you use drones, which now only requires drone assist to be manual. - Mutiboxing Fixed.

Take a look at this pic.

http://teabbs.com/images/arcpvp6x.jpg

Just click down the line on what you want to target or shoot or the module you want to activate = win.

This is impossible for 20+ accounts but honestly most of us Multi-boxers don't like those dudes anyways.


Yup, that's pretty much the way it works for non-ISBoxers too. Just with a lot more Alt-Tabbing :)

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Apo Lamperouge
#653 - 2014-11-25 20:16:49 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Angus McRothimay wrote:
However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.



The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion.



How do you figure? If you are mining 2b a day with these 25+ miners, and a plex is/was say 850m, lets do the math

$15 x 25 = $375 per month.

However, if you are mining say 2b a day, for only 20 days a month out of 30, then your 2b x 20d = 40b

850,000,000 x 25 accounts = 21.25b

That still leaves you with a net profit of 18.75b/month isk.

And you tell me that you are PAYING to play? Are you sh!tting me?

Come on. What moron who profits 18b a month actually BUYS their game time. I may have been born during the day, but it wasn't yesterday.

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#654 - 2014-11-25 20:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: virm pasuul
GOMMEL NOX
"That said, I really don't think it would beThe best plan for CCP to treat me as a special case for two reasons: first, I'm not the only disabled player in this stupid game. Second, if they made an exception for me with a spinal cord injury, why couldn't they make a similar exception for someone who has MS, But more fine motor skills. Slippery slope, etc. etc."


Determined to buid the best case to undermines the change eh?
If what you say is true, you will contact CCP and give them a chance to help you.
If you are just trolling the changes, well that's your choice.
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#655 - 2014-11-25 20:18:10 UTC
CCP starting the next year off with the greatest of all new years resolutions! outstanding!

If CCP were personified into a single person id wine dine and pleasure you to the very limit that a corporeal being could possibly experience!

.... however you're not, so i shall wrap myself up in the bittersweet blanket of eve online for years to come!

u sexy beasts you!
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#656 - 2014-11-25 20:18:39 UTC
Apo Lamperouge wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:
Angus McRothimay wrote:
However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.



The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion.



How do you figure? If you are mining 2b a day with these 25+ miners, and a plex is/was say 850m, lets do the math

$15 x 25 = $375 per month.

However, if you are mining say 2b a day, for only 20 days a month out of 30, then your 2b x 20d = 40b

850,000,000 x 25 accounts = 21.25b

That still leaves you with a net profit of 18.75b/month isk.

And you tell me that you are PAYING to play? Are you sh!tting me?

Come on. What moron who profits 18b a month actually BUYS their game time. I may have been born during the day, but it wasn't yesterday.



If no one was buying game time? then no one would sell. right? Think m8, Think. :)
Arec Bardwin
#657 - 2014-11-25 20:19:07 UTC
CCP, what is your stance on ISBoxing ship spinning of accounts simultaneously?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#658 - 2014-11-25 20:19:22 UTC
I'm looking forward to mineral prices rising by a few percent, and PLEX dropping significantly. That's the impact this change will have on me. I might even re-sub some of my accounts once the price of PLEX falls back to within my capacity to pay.

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#659 - 2014-11-25 20:19:33 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Sylphy wrote:
This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.

Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up by about 150% in the next 3 months.

Sorry, no. This is how an MMO thrives. People being able to "pay to win" (which is exactly what ISBOXed bomber and mining fleets were doing) is a bad idea.

Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.


Mumm. more like pay to efficently use the UI. If i could have a little loadout window that had like 3 buttons that said

Cap
Shoot
Turtle

without having to dig all five accounts deep into the fittings pages so i could swap my dread fits around quickly id have no use for isboxer. There are better ways to rat: 15 assigned fighters to three accounts from a nyx, with the fifth account being mr vaccuum. You want the drone guys all targeting differently. Mining if i cycle them all at the same time my orca fills up. I did hate the people with 20 though cause that just seems excessive.
Mellianah
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#660 - 2014-11-25 20:24:15 UTC
Love it, CCP. Bravo :)