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Zihao
Doomheim
#741 - 2015-09-24 05:49:29 UTC
motie one wrote:
Zihao wrote:
motie one wrote:
If the velocity of the rate of exchange into pilot services, has decreased to the point that these are only a secondary use for the product then the alternative uses (wealth storage, and speculative gambling) are "in excess"


What differentiates gambling and wealth storage from investment? The opinions of bureaucrats.

It sounds like you believe your central planners can allocate capital more efficiently than producers and consumers. If that is the case, why not simply put these people in charge of all resource allocation? Surely a command economy run by such brilliant people would be wildly successful.


Well, If you cannot see that pilots services are different from the wider economy, then there is not much to say, If you believe that even the most right wing economies on the planet do not have some checks and balances on essential services, then I guess that the FED should just be sold to Goldman sachs, together with the documents signing you over officially as a serf to exploit?

That'll take care of those meddling socialists!


No there isn't any diffirence because they're both purchases by customers and that's what matters to those players and CCP. Hand waiving about checks and balances doesn't substantiate your point.

Grr capitalism?
Zhaceera Armerarram
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#742 - 2015-09-24 10:20:49 UTC
And there you go.

That is how nothing needs to be covered up, just let people alone and they themselves cover things up.

"If justice is not for everyone, it is for no one."
motie one
Secret Passage
#743 - 2015-09-24 11:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
Zihao wrote:
motie one wrote:
Zihao wrote:
motie one wrote:
If the velocity of the rate of exchange into pilot services, has decreased to the point that these are only a secondary use for the product then the alternative uses (wealth storage, and speculative gambling) are "in excess"


What differentiates gambling and wealth storage from investment? The opinions of bureaucrats.

It sounds like you believe your central planners can allocate capital more efficiently than producers and consumers. If that is the case, why not simply put these people in charge of all resource allocation? Surely a command economy run by such brilliant people would be wildly successful.


Well, If you cannot see that pilots services are different from the wider economy, then there is not much to say, If you believe that even the most right wing economies on the planet do not have some checks and balances on essential services, then I guess that the FED should just be sold to Goldman sachs, together with the documents signing you over officially as a serf to exploit?

That'll take care of those meddling socialists!


No there isn't any diffirence because they're both purchases by customers and that's what matters to those players and CCP. Hand waiving about checks and balances doesn't substantiate your point.

Grr capitalism?


Wow, nothing like completely avoiding the issue, covering one's eyes, and ears, and say all's good here, one wouldn't want reality to interfere now would one?

I mean one wouldn't like people to look at what's happening and upset the nice tidy cartel, I mean, that might be messy or disruptive or something....... Best to just keep one's eyes tightly closed, Don't ask questions,and just bend over once a month.RollShocked

So, sorry sunshine, players have just got fed up with taking it where the sun doesn't shine every month, and we are seeing the Hard, clear, results. Alts hibernated, players losing motivation, dual training a distant memory, and generally people giving up the whole idea of Plex as being something other than a chew toy for speculators. There is some hope where players are keeping isk reserves for when sanity prevails, but that will not last forever. It has been pushed, beyond breaking point, by both rampant greed, and a refusal to see that, one is bringing down a Pillar of one's own game. don't be surprised when changes happen.

Nice job.Rollmaybe you'll be ok as long as there is a greater fool willing to let you get out without losing your shirt.

Possibly though, that may be exactly what's intended. Punishing greed and stupidity is very EVE.
Zihao
Doomheim
#744 - 2015-09-24 14:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Zihao
Yeah. You are avoiding the issue that the money and plex being spent belong to the players and ccp. Your opinion on how it is spent is moot. If you want cheap plex on the market, go buy some and sell them cheaply. Heck, give them away of you like. I can at least respect a martyr for his own cause. You are asking others to be martyred for you and yours. That's the epitome of greed.
motie one
Secret Passage
#745 - 2015-09-24 14:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
Zihao wrote:
Yeah. You are avoiding the issue that the money and plex being spent belong to the players and ccp. Your opinion on how it is spent is moot. If you want cheap plex on the market, go buy some and sell them cheaply. Heck, give them away of you like. I can at least respect a martyr for his own cause. You are asking others to be martyred for you and yours. That's the epitome of greed.


Are we even discussing the same thread?
Or are you studiously avoiding the whole issue, hoping no one will notice? Or get bored and distracted and wander off?
Zhaceera Armerarram
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#746 - 2015-09-24 14:56:34 UTC
It is like "Caldari Elections":

"You sir is avoiding the issue."
"You sir dont know what you talking about."
"You sir is (insert here demeaning personal attack unrelated to the matter)."
"You sir, do you even know what you talking about ?"

And maybe that "reasoning" in handling the plex you buy and you sell is preciselly the reason that a few people can set the prices as they see fit.

"If justice is not for everyone, it is for no one."
motie one
Secret Passage
#747 - 2015-09-24 15:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:
It is like "Caldari Elections":

"You sir is avoiding the issue."
"You sir dont know what you talking about."
"You sir is (insert here demeaning personal attack unrelated to the matter)."
"You sir, do you even know what you talking about ?"

And maybe that "reasoning" in handling the plex you buy and you sell is preciselly the reason that a few people can set the prices as they see fit.


Well one can understand why they want to extract as many Eggs from the Golden goose while they can, and don't want people to see, but they are somewhat failing when even the most unaware can see it is plucked, turned inside out, and bleeding from the abuse it has suffered.

But the response is to dismiss those who complain about the squawking and unholy mess they are making ........ Nothing to see here... Move along....

Self restraint and EvE? Not a thing.....
Zhaceera Armerarram
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#748 - 2015-09-24 16:03:45 UTC
People just cant understand that EVE is aimed to a kind of player, that is not the "simple" anything.
The market just answers badly to the wrong crowd playing the game.

"If justice is not for everyone, it is for no one."
Lieu Thiesant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#749 - 2015-09-24 16:15:43 UTC
wsop
Leetmcfeet
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#750 - 2015-09-24 21:11:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
No we will not have 500m Plex npc sell orders. (Are you trying to bankrupt CCP for your own gain?)

No we will not operate like how you envision a swiss bank does (Death to all bankers)

No we don't want to hear about your deviant fantasies - this is not the appropriate forum to post them ( NSFW much?)

I have removed inflammatory remarks and a personal attack. - ISD Atomic Dove
yvsyvz
Doomheim
#751 - 2015-09-25 04:09:04 UTC
Leetmcfeet wrote:
Understand we the eve community do not want your ideas.


Wow! You always know something is foul and fishy if someone starts to speak for the "eve community".
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#752 - 2015-09-25 04:22:57 UTC
Now this thread is going places!

Why is there no popcorn eating emote on the terrible forum?
Leetmcfeet
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#753 - 2015-09-25 05:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
I agree CSM is good people. In other news every point the guy brought up got slammed by one of several unique individuals; terminology may be too broad for your liking but its surely evidenced in this very thread that the ideas he wants implemented
would destroy the EVE economy if not the game. Simply cannot implement 500m npc sell orders for plex; he is a goofy
character.

Removed a quote from a now removed comment - ISD Atomic Dove
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#754 - 2015-09-25 06:05:46 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Now this thread is going places!

Why is there no popcorn eating emote on the terrible forum?

They introduced a popcorn emoji but I don't think font support is there yet.

.
Zhaceera Armerarram
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#755 - 2015-09-25 10:48:29 UTC
The is an old matari saying that goes:
"We have 2 eyes, 2 ears, but one mouth for a reason."

Even genetics has proven unable to change that.

"If justice is not for everyone, it is for no one."
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#756 - 2015-09-25 10:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Bobby
Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:
The is an old matari saying that goes:
"We have 2 eyes, 2 ears, but one mouth for a reason."

Even genetics has proven unable to change that.

But some people do speak out of their arses.

[EDIT] Is that a Babylon 5 quote?
motie one
Secret Passage
#757 - 2015-09-25 11:00:18 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
Bad Bobby wrote:
Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:
The is an old matari saying that goes:
"We have 2 eyes, 2 ears, but one mouth for a reason."

Even genetics has proven unable to change that.

But some people do speak out of their arses.

[EDIT] Is that a Babylon 5 quote?


Possibly from every good programme ever, probably said in the original babylon 5000 years ago. And after all this we still cannot cure stupid!Lol

Ah well, in Eve geneticists are still trying, apparently without success. Maybe the Drifters will Burn Jita 4-4 to a husk and clean the Gene pool in one go!
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#758 - 2015-09-25 11:04:49 UTC
Some relevant media for those that don't already follow them:

http://www.legacyofacapsuleer.com/mp3/LOAC_ep_26.mp3

https://www.youtube.com/user/EVEProsper
Zhaceera Armerarram
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#759 - 2015-09-25 11:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhaceera Armerarram
Bad Bobby wrote:
Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:
The is an old matari saying that goes:
"We have 2 eyes, 2 ears, but one mouth for a reason."

Even genetics has proven unable to change that.

But some people do speak out of their arses.

[EDIT] Is that a Babylon 5 quote?


There must be some fertilizer for new ideas.

But that is a saying as old my granny's granny.

"If justice is not for everyone, it is for no one."
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#760 - 2015-09-25 11:15:00 UTC
Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:

"We have 2 eyes, 2 ears, but one mouth for a reason."

Is that a Babylon 5 quote?

that is a saying as old my granny's granny.

So is all the humour in Babylon 5.