Market Discussions

I won't touch them anymore for a few reasons, and being banned isn't one of them.
A: there is way too much damned volume for all but the most wealthy individuals (likely the literal top 1%) to make much of a dent.
B: CCP can throw PLEX on sale whenever they want, for however long they want, and completely screw up anything you were trying to accomplish.
C: it is one of the few things in Eve (along with Aurum based items) that have a theoretically infinite supply. A bored guy with a fat wallet could completely annihilate the PLEX market within thirty minutes, if he felt so inclined.

I never said they were bad for business, I said bad for the economy. More specifically, I said when demand driven price increase is caused primarily by investors it is bad for the economy.

The housing bubble and its collapse is one such example.

I guess I did! But that was intended differently....

PLEX is being actively manipulated, there's buy orders appearing at 10m above the next lowest one, I've even seen 4x5 sets with a larger than 0.01 ISK price difference that were placed at the same time. You then just wait for people to outbid you by 0.01 and you don't need to do anything else.

Another note about the Chinese server, their ships are about as twice as expensive as they are on our shard, if I do recall correctly. The equivalent PLEX price for Tranquility would be 1.5 billion per unit. The end is nearer than you think.

Additionally, for every person who wasn't injecting PLEX into the economy that will start doing so at higher prices, there's a person who doesn't need to buy as many to fund his ships. The supply will largely remain unchanged. It will drop way before the aforementioned price point too. At 900m p/u, people can buy a cheap T2 fit Vindicator with a single PLEX, whereas at 800m p/u, they need two. There are all sorts of price breakpoints like that along the way, that will gradually taper off supply as they are being hit. PLEX producers are a minority, and most of them are already established.

Now, let's spend a moment to talk about who actually uses PLEX. It's not, or you, or someone who wants to play for free. Can you guess who it is? That's right, it's alts! Nobody wants to pay for his second, or third or fourth account. Most people use cash for their main, however. Conversely, it's easier to stop subbing an alt than it is to stop subbing entirely if you were playing on a single account. People will shed those alts as they go. At this point, panic selling would begin as sell orders stop getting bought. It will be hilarious.

There could be few individuals who could do this. I was astounded when I saw bids for super rare ships...People threw trillions of ISK like they were spare cash. However I saw someone mention CCP might ban people for massive manipulations of PLEX and they just might fall into that category, so no wonder why they ain't doing it.

I used to think 10 trillion is a lot of ISK, but to some people it might not be. What's the point of going over 1T ISK is beyond me, when there are so many other things to be done...Interesting times, I wonder how far will the PLEX price go prior 2nd of June.

Please tell me how you make upwards of 5b with your link alt, for example. Or cyno alt. That's the majority of alts, characters like these.

Seriously, your post is dumb as bricks. When you squeeze the margin, you squeeze from both ends, otherwise the other sellers would just post higher sell orders, achieving an upwards trend in price. Oops, nevermind?

Five billion, cite a source. China has theirs at 3, with the other stuff costing about 2x as much as on our shard. Guess what, 1.5b is less than double the price and you're talking about it increasing over five times?

Lucas pls.

So, if I have an account with three cyno alts that are positioned in different systems for maximum utility. I guess I could recycle one of them into a dedicated scanner alt and sell it every X months to recoup some of the costs, but that's hardly 5b/mo. Or I could just make a money-making alt on it and run Incursions for some risk-free moolah. Of course, that would mean that I'd need an additional account, but I can make an incursion alt on it too. And the offgrid booster on the other account? Make an incursion alt! At this point, it starts to feel like a second job, but at least I wouldn't need an incursion alt for my super alt account, because I can just rat with my super! OY VEY why don't I just multibox incursions?



Yes, I'm 105% butthurt because YOU disagree with ME.




Bullshit, demand exceeds supply for PLEX, so there's no reason to release capital and take a loss. Well, unless prices going up by 50m in a day is a natural occurence to you, and need I remind you of the 1b spike a while back?




How would rising PLEX prices upturn the economy exactly? Last time I checked PLEX doesn't inject ISK into the economy. PLEX pricing is disjointed from the rest of the economy. Prices for everything else have been going down the last few months. Well, everything except rare collectibles, that is, but they're a special case unto themselves.

Also as for seriously manipulating the PLEX market - it's not really doable. There's a bit under a trillion ISK worth of PLEX in Jita on the market now which probably a hundred individuals in game have enough ISK to buy out entirely. But there's a lot more in hangars.

There is more wealth in PLEX on the market in Jita than there is in the seven minerals combined.

Real economic collapses are bad for a number of reasons: they create income problems, cash flow problems, and increase search costs as huge numbers of people lost their jobs and homes.

The health of the EVE "economy" is really determined by player activity, so PLEX speculation is only bad if it gets players to quit. In the long run, I don't know if that's the case. As a new player, if I can buy everything I need by selling a single PLEX the game looks a lot more appealing than if it takes 3 PLEX to get what I want.

Speculators are a good thing because they translate information about the future into prices today leading to more efficient pricing. If zydrine was going to be worth 1300 post patch, speculators help get it there so people make the correct purchase decisions and manufacturing choices. It would be wasteful to use a bunch of zydrine making T1 guns at 5% margins if the zydrine you bought for 400 per unit is going to be worth 1300 per unit in a few months.

On Chinese server you can officially BOT, this is even enforced by some of the groups.
When i see upcoming changers it is big possibility that plex prices can drop, as people will be more willing to sell plexes to get citadel under their banner.

I think that limiting thing , blocking most of the players from starting to play in this game is initial "fun lag".
Observed this more than once:
1. New player logins
2. SPACESHIPS SPACESHIPS
3. Where to get isk - oh this is some way to do it.
4. I cannot fly this , and last 2 weeks of skill points i invested in worthless stuff
5. F%%%C this game i will no longer wait to have some fun

Why this is important for plex prices?
Many new players buy initially few plexes to fund them self basic ships.