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Polarized weaponry (affectionately known as glass cannons)

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2014-10-22 21:00:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Alundil wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
So they reduce the resistance even if you don't have the guns active... I would have though it would have been far better to only apply the resistances reduction to the ships when the guns are firing, that way there is a bit of strategy and skill involved.

These glass cannon weapons don't sound interesting at all, except if you're in a battleship which will still be able to fit an okay tank... Also, the name is dumb.

This is what I was thinking as well. Aside from the naming issue (which is bad) and the idea proposed by Phoenix Jones (which is good - no corp bias) having the resist loss only while the guns are active makes a lot more sense from a tactical standpoint. From the discussions about the T3 Dessies, it is evident that changing bonuses to hulls on the fly in space is now possible based on "______" so it stands to reason that it ought to be possible to alter the hull stats based on active state of any one of these weapons.

In this way, pilot skill and battlefield awareness play a role in when or when not to active these "Ultimate (insert name) weapons of Deadliness +5" weapon systems.


Thinking a bit more about it, it would be overpowered if it worked like that. It would effectively be a siege mode that you could end at will to receive reps. We'll just have to make do with traditional fitting methods to refit what the situation calls for.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Challus Mercer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2014-10-22 21:07:51 UTC
This new glass cannons seems to be usless, because of that huge penalty. For example if the numbers are correct they increase your DPS up to 8-18% in the same time they increase the damage of your opponent on you by ammount of resists that you had before (up to 90+%), so it's obvious not a good idea to use this guns, especially because they gonna cost a lot.
Winthorp
#163 - 2014-10-22 21:16:40 UTC
Challus Mercer wrote:
This new glass cannons seems to be usless, because of that huge penalty. For example if the numbers are correct they increase your DPS up to 8-18% in the same time they increase the damage of your opponent on you by ammount of resists that you had before (up to 90+%), so it's obvious not a good idea to use this guns, especially because they gonna cost a lot.


I think the point you are missing is the enemy ship won't have weapons.
Soden Rah
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2014-10-22 22:01:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Soden Rah
I'll be interested to see what these actually do when they hit SiSi... But till we have some actual data I'm concurring with those that don't like the name.

I don't have a problem with the word blighted sounding fantasy over Sci-Fi, But it just sounds like
these weapons are damaged or suck, as opposed making them sound cool and powerful.

Being an Iain M Banks fan I would suggest calling them 'Lazy Guns' ... But you're probably not allowed
to do that.

So I would go with something like these: [Apologies to anyone if I nick your ideas]

Hacked
Redoubled
Glass
[imply a link to the sleepers with]Sleepy
Brazen
Berserker
Vindictive
Destabilised
or
Leeroy Jenkins[As in "I'm going for a full Leeroy Jenkins fit.."]
Burneddi
Avanto
Hole Control
#165 - 2014-10-22 22:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Burneddi
Soden Rah wrote:
But it just sounds like these weapons are damaged or suck

Probably wouldn't be too far from the truth then, if the +10% rof +10% damage thing is of any indication.
Kadesh Priestess
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#166 - 2014-10-22 22:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kadesh Priestess
War Kitten wrote:
I've no idea if the pastebin info is legit or not

It is. These guns are just marked as unpublished, thus do not show up on any searches. You can view their info on sisi if you do following:

Put this to file named blight.html
Put blight.html to root of drive C:
On sisi, open file:///C:/blight.html and click names you see (links won't appear as normal ingame links, but they are still clickable)

You will open info window for corresponding module (torp launcher)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#167 - 2014-10-22 22:22:32 UTC
Missiles are again getting the shaft - as guns benefit from a damage and rate of fire increase while missiles will only receive an increase to rate of fire (unless there's also a huge bump to ammunition capacity as well). The concept is great, the name is 'meh' - but the preliminary specs on these weapons relegates this idea to DOA.

Give these weapons a 50% rate of fire/damage increase and this will make things really interesting. Short of that I just can't see how the huge list of tradeoffs is offset by the paltry DPS increase.

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Mixu Paatelainen
Eve Refinery
#168 - 2014-10-22 23:02:09 UTC
I can't believe nobody has come up with 'Honorable 425mm Autocannon' etc. yet.
Challus Mercer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2014-10-22 23:07:05 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Challus Mercer wrote:
This new glass cannons seems to be usless, because of that huge penalty. For example if the numbers are correct they increase your DPS up to 8-18% in the same time they increase the damage of your opponent on you by ammount of resists that you had before (up to 90+%), so it's obvious not a good idea to use this guns, especially because they gonna cost a lot.


I think the point you are missing is the enemy ship won't have weapons.

Well if you speak of killing miners, then you dont really need glass cannons for this case.
Elleiha Solette
Ruse-Cruise
Hysterical Friends
#170 - 2014-10-22 23:34:34 UTC
How about "425mm Jovian Hell Cannon"
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#171 - 2014-10-22 23:46:07 UTC
"Blighted"? Really?

Use Overcharged or some other word that fits in a sci fi setting.

Also, if they are going to reduce EHP by as much as they do, cost as much as they are suggested to, but only offer a ~ 20% damage boost, they are sharply limited in their use. Moreso the big ones, since bigger ships can't sig tank worth a damn.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Daenna Chrysi
Omega Foundry Unit
Southern Legion Alliance
#172 - 2014-10-22 23:47:53 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
I'm asking this only because I'm interested in words generally, and am likewise interested in the strong reaction to "blighted".

(Disclaimer: I have no skin in this name game, am not participating in the discussion that Paradox describes, I have no influence one way or the other over how items are named, and I don't feel strongly one way or the other about "blighted".)

Blight is a word used IRL mostly to describe plant disease, and secondarily as a general description for something that has been spoiled or damaged. What about it gives you such a strong "fantasy RPG" feeling? Is it the Undead Warcraft 3 sprawl thing?



It's the normal naming convention in fantasy literature and games, rarely used in sci-fi due to people usually connecting blight to plague, famine and disease. Even though many sci-fi writers (and tv series) drop the "Blight of the mankind" all the time, it's usually connected to loss, failure and death. It's not a bad word, just not really used in sci-fi, more in fantasy and high fantasy.


I think "Normal" might be the wrong word, but maybe "natural" might suit better? Doing some research I've dug up a few references to blight. We've got a location in The Wheel of Time series, a location in Worlds of the Imperium, some malfunctioning terraforming microbes, a T.E.S. disease, an alien race in DC comics, a Transformer, a baddy in seminal cartoon classic "Captain Planet" and of course the aforementioned WC3. This is around a 50/50 split to 75/25 split of fantasy/scifi, depending on your definitions of them both I guess. This leads me to draw the conclusion that it's a word that people think is cool, maybe even quite badass, despite its most common usage to be to describe bad potatoes Big smile

EDIT: Missed out on like, half of the Nurgle forces of WH40k, but you get the idea Smile


http://www.wowwiki.com/Blight_%28plague%29

on side note, we going to get potato ammo for them at xmas?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#173 - 2014-10-22 23:49:14 UTC
Oh, and if the lasers can't fit T2 ammo, they are going to be hilariously useless.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Andy Koraka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#174 - 2014-10-23 00:02:44 UTC
Rhea, aka the return of the HEROCATS!!!!!!

Not a huge fan of the name blighted though. Berserker or something like that would be better.
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#175 - 2014-10-23 00:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Emma Muutaras
i think reckless would be a suitable name after all reducing your resists to 0 for more damage seams somewhat reckless to me like "Reckless Mega Pulse Laser II"

or we could just keep it simple as its a T2 gun and call it something like "Modified Mega Pulse Laser II"
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#176 - 2014-10-23 00:33:20 UTC
+1 For the idea
-1 For the name

I know you guys can do better than 'Blighted'!

Oderint Dum Metuant
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#177 - 2014-10-23 00:51:33 UTC

The idea is good the name is pretty awful.

I get why you've gone with "blighted" but it sounds more like a WoW item from a quest than a Sci Fi name.

To me the idea I want conjured up is that of a weapon system that draws power away from your defensive systems in order to power itself. This would imply they probably aren't very efficient in terms of power/system use.

I would suggest the term "Overloaded" but since you already used that for something I wouldn't go with that.

You could perhaps go with "Unstable" as a name, as to me it's like saying "Well we can get them to work but not without huge drawbacks".

Overloaded, overcharged, unstable... all these sorts of words I think would be better used than blighted.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#178 - 2014-10-23 01:24:45 UTC
Capqu wrote:
i'm irish and i find the names of these weapons extremely offensive

bull****, if you were Irish you would be to drunk to make that connection...Cool

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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#179 - 2014-10-23 02:23:48 UTC
Wow, very little DPS increase for stupid price and 0 resists.

Alternatively just overheat like a normal person, keep resists and don't waste ISK. Plus you are far more likely to live and repair your modules!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#180 - 2014-10-23 02:39:27 UTC
If these were awesome weapons (with great specs), the name wouldn't matter.
Just saying...

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