Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would trade bombs anyday with alpha strike bomber like it was before when they were able to equip cruise missile and were able to one shot 0 m/s frigs in single salvo. I always like to play with glass cannon class/ship in games and I was attracted to the game by that idea to find out sadly they already change how bombers work.

What would change is that it would show how bad Torpedoes are at the moment.

Stealth Bombers are about the only ships that have use for Torpedoes, all other ships are using Cruise, because if you don't get the ridiculous range and explosion radius bonus, it's a weapon system that has little more use than for shooting structures.

My two cents,

Cloaks de-cloaking each other is fine, as long as there is a graphical, if not overview, way to see fleet mates. Allowing fleet mates to see the same new shiney graphics that we see on our own ships should be enough of a clue. De-cloak should be adjusted to ONLY work on-grid AND ONLY with all related ships/structures in sidereal(not warp) space.


Bomb damage needs to be more fully addressed, as stated by others, in a way that balances away from armor prevalence. The sig radius calculation seems to be for the MWD small ships that the bomber excels at killing. How about changing that to mass? Completely alter the paradigm. Bombers would suck at killing smaller ships but allow the poor down-trodden masses to smack larger fleets of larger ships. Bomb damage would need some adjustment to be sure, such as reducing resists to get volleys to 4-5. This counters bombers by allowing the enemy fleet to bring small ships of their own to hunt bombers without the risk of popping when they use MWD.

The new Focused Void is a wonderful and overdue foray into specialty bombs. The one meter range should be opened up to 50 meters. Not everyone is Davy Crocket in a bomber.

Giving Bombers any kind of ehp buff for any reason is like putting tinfoil over a cardboard box. Sure, it looks nicer... but when a truck hits it, it's just as flat.

Yes to cargo. Three bombs for all.

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Suggested new bombs.

Spatial Destabilizer - Cancels/disallows all warps/jumps in detonation radius for 10(?)/X seconds. Target must re-enter command. Could break up fleet warps into manageable chunks on the other end. Not so much a tackle as a stumble. Like being ECM jammed.


Shaped Charge - Same basic principles as the new Focused Void, but damage bomb for use against Titans and SCs. Have to lay it right in the old thermal exhaust port, but if you do... Hey there are plenty of Titans, and more a-building every day. Why not allow a frigate class to help thin the thundering herd?


EMP - De-stabilizes ship systems thereby de-cloaking any ship in detonation range. Cannot sweep without the proper broom. SB vs SB. There is a counter. Use SBs against themselves.

Bombs are unguided weapons. The premise (as I understand it) is that you are firing at a target which will still be in roughly the same place 10 seconds later, and the AOE is to offset aiming imprecision and to do mass damage to surrounding targets in a fleet. Not to let you snipe at individual ships on the move. The damage reduction due to velocity backs that premise up - bombs are best employed on stationary or slow moving targets.

Very nice. Faith restored Fozzie, faith restored.

Look up a few posts. Barely beat you to the posts, but I bet many have thought of similar things.


I figured this was a prevalent idea.


To my limited understanding, it seems that a frigate that mounts battleship weapons should be used against larger ship types.

Instead, we have stealth bomber wings that can obliterate any small-ship gang that uses MWD as a tactic.


Switch all bomb calculations to mass instead of sig radius, along with adjustments of DPS scaling for balance of course. You do not want a pair of SBs insta-popping a plated Megathron while leaving a shield tanked Raven sitting there pretty. The cap ship bombs can be used for high DPS against just those ship types.

That makes counters by the score. Small ships can hunt SBs with this change. No need for random smarty fits on everyone that can fit a medium or better.


More bomb types, all with lower resists. The more fun the individual bomb is, the less you want in one place. Get the volleys down to 4 or so inside the same AOE, but play with other stats.

This would be a major overhaul/change, and I can understand that the changes being made now are simpler to accomplish.


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There's nothing written in stone saying that bombers need to be frigates. Maybe it would be more appropriate for them to be destroyers or cruisers, and have the survivability and agility that comes with that.

they would also be quicker too lock .. less agile and they would have slower warp speed i'm sure and slower lock time .. kind of all the things you don't want

Captcha is not enough. You should be required to answer a skill-testing question in order to even undock.

May I suggest that everyone that comes up with wild ideas like that would please attach a killmail of his own successful solo bomb run on a BS or BC that wasn't AFK?