Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This patch has plenty good, but does that make up for rolling out some rather stupid changes also? or to not fix massively broken PvP balance? If I told my boss I just completed a major assignment, do you think he'd be happy to learn half of it is complete waste that is likely to cost the company more than make it?

When it comes to the balance of armor vs shield BS and bombers being the deciding factor... BooHoo. Honestly if bombs start doing even dmg to both, then we go back to shield fleets being the flavor of the year being that they have exceptionally better damage. Until CCP finally comes to the understanding that the flaw in armor and shield fleet is the way the slot layouts are and the lack of diversity for how fleets can fit mods.


Wanna see shield BS fleets again, get rid of crazy penalties for sig on shield mods and rigs and instead have a penalty that actually make sense, higher power grid and CPU costs and get rid of stupid things like armor plates needing crazy power grid and CPU, but rather have heavy inertia penalties (last time I noticed, solid plates of metal really don't need a lot of power???). Balancing the actual types of tanking would be a much better way to balance not only the fleet types but the game as a whole. I mean seriously why is it a low power slot and yet the armor tank plates/reppers use more power than almost any other mods in the game excluding batteries, shield hardeners/boosters and weapon systems. If plates need power grid then why are they not mid slot items? as well as all self reppers and instead hardeners/resist mods?

Make changes like these that bring a bit of common sense. Provide a believable environment, in which the armor tanking races aren't complete morons for never having devised a mid slot damage booster. And who knows you might be able to start balancing ships because they all start having similar behaviors, which become easier to flavor to suit needs and roles.

Who knows we might actually get to see EWAR become a thing to cry again, rather than cry over bomb damage.

yeah it's like, 20% more damage, something something fitting, zero resists, nothing unexpected.

Hmm, you know what?

Clearly the torpedo (ie: bombless bomber) type is being encouraged.

Specifically engineered to fire torpedoes

You HTFU, serisouly. How much fail at eve can you have to be so scared of bombers you don't undock a Battleship.

May also want to check your facts. I have only one account and this is my main. I don't isbox and i really don't care if others do. Shesh use local and intel properly. Bombers and bombing fleets are some of the easiest things to avoid even solo.

I was in a WH and i am going back when the war dec things run out. ISBoxers and no local. I don't need to HTFU. I don't cry when Ishtars are 5x better than any BS or when T3 kick most ships clean off the battlefield. I skill up for them. I learn how to fly them, I die working a few things out. But that the way it goes. Or work out proper ways to deal with these fleets. In the ishtar case it is normally Run Away. Same with Navy Apocs.

But bombers... We spread out and don't sit around being sitting ducks. For a bomb run to work. The targets must be sitting ducks.

citation required that most bomber fleets are isboxers. And not just fleets of real pilots.

Have you ever done what military experts are calling a fleet warp?

Someone is blapping PL ships -> must be cheating. Nerf eeet!

Preface: I have FCed bombers on multiple occasions against multiple sizes and types of fleet, but have not often been a FC of the larger fleet getting bombed. I'm also pretty stupid.

To me the complaints seem that bombers can kill large fleets too easily, and nerfing their damage makes them useless against everything. The difficulty of bombing seems difficult to get just right, with ISKboxer being a thing.

Some points I am taking as given:

- In a mid-large scale fight, each bombing run has a good probability to lose some bombers to the fleet they are trying to bomb, if teh fleet is actively trying to have something to deal with bombers rather than ignoring them.
- We would like bombs to be able to kill things, but currently they kill everything too well, especially battleships and especially shield doctrines (and thus especially especially shield battleships).

My proposal to consider would be to introduce a new type of bomb while making the current damage bombs less generally useful:

- Current bombs: Through a change of figures as to how signature radius affects damage and the base damage stats, I would propose total bomb damage be significantly reduced, to the point where even a co-ordinated strike of multiple wings could not kill a half-decenty tanked battleship fleet, or even to Battlecruisers. It would take multiple squads to volley well-tanked T1 cruisers. I would however make them such that they were still deadly to frigate and destroyer class ships, such that they have to pilot their faster ships to remain safe.
- New bomb type: Resist bombs - each bomb introduces a penalty to one resist (Racial bombers get bonus to appropriate resist), such that given damage bombs now have a minimal effect to the core of a larger, well-coordinated fleet, these bombs now exists in a support role in overcoming enemy logistics. Each bomb would apply a resist penalty (with stacking penallties) to the given resist type, lasting something like 30 ingame seconds.

Bombers now become a tool for harassing/destroying a larger fleets support, as well as being a powerful tool to be used in conjunction with the main fleet of the Bomber's Alliance/Corp. The time limit of the bomb effect stipulates the need for repeated runs, meaning especially with Phoebe changes affecting the ease of getting replacement bombers into the fight via BlOps each bomber lost is a hit to the bomber wings effectiveness over time, rewarding well chosen moments to bomb and the ability to do so consistently.

While not directly, this also is a slight "nerf" to the power of logistics, which most peopl seem to think is currently a touch strong.

I highly doubt this is an original idea, or that it is even a particularly good one, but I like sharing :)

My regards to the game designers, you guys are awesome, you do a great job and I miss hanging out with those of you that I did during my time in Iceland.

Apoth ♥

Exactly the same amount as the PLEXes you bought. There's no magical button to spawn 100 PLEXes to your cargo hold outside of using a credit card or paying in other approved manners.