Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The "physical model" and "collision radius" are the same thing. The model you see with all the polygons and wings and guns and stuff, that points in different directions, does not exist on the server and is purely visual. As far as the server is concerned we're all driving little non-oriented spheres around and bumping into each other all day.

If the bomb shows less than 1m distance on the enemy's overview when it explodes, that'd be a hit.

Feel free to give me an anti frig torp bomber that can do the job of a worm.

Those figures are why I don't think damage reduction based on velocity is a good idea- most ships can reach fairly high velocities, even battleships, and to balance out and do appropriate damage to moving battleships, you have to buff the damage or fiddle with the sig damage equation. What you really want is something that takes a little inertia into consideration- the fact that large ship's high velocities are achievable, but not without a longer acceleration time/time to orientate. Damage fall off based on distance from point of detonation gives you that, as damage mitigation is provided by positioning (indirectly by velocity, agility and acceleration) rather than pure speed alone.

Doing the math actually highlights some interesting stuff. I started off with a typical linear fall-off, setting the bomb damage to 200% at the center, 100% at half radius, 0% at max radius, but obviously this is wrong as this significantly reduces the bomb's overall value because of the volume component. In order to achieve the same damage-volume, you have to apply the linear fall-off to the volume:

r % damage
1 199.9407407
2 199.5259259
3 198.4
4 196.2074074
5 192.5925926
6 187.2
7 179.6740741
8 169.6592593
9 156.8
10 140.7407407
11 121.1259259
12 97.6
13 69.80740741
14 37.39259259
15 0

What's interesting to note about this application of bombs is that, in a typical bombing pattern where all bombers either align to the same distant celestial or to a single target (which gives variations up to 5 km) and released together, the damage at the center of the run is actually identical due to the fact that the doubled damage results in an optimal bomb wave of 3-4 bombs, more being destroyed by the damage. This forces more thought into either spread patterns or rippled release times.

You could, instead, dilute the bomb damage-volume over a greater area, keeping 100% damage at the center and going from there:

r % damage
1 99.98518519
2 99.88148148
3 99.6
4 99.05185185
5 98.14814815
6 96.8
7 94.91851852
8 92.41481481
9 89.2
10 85.18518519
11 80.28148148
12 74.4
13 67.45185185
14 59.34814815
15 50
16 39.31851852
17 27.21481481
18 13.6
19 0

Of course, there's also potential to fiddle around with the bomb's explosion radius itself, and the distance coverable with an MWD vs. the potential extra damage due to the sig bloom should always be taken into consideration (the long cycle time of prop mods makes this a difficult thing to consider on the fly, but those kinds of snap-decisions are part of what makes EVE fun).

When velocity is added into the equation, Its up to the bomber and BS FCs to set the conditions where upon a successful bombing run can occur. Currently the only thing that matters is your ship and fit. If tankType=shield, death, else lol.

Danikov, your model of damage based on range from the bomb's epicenter is interesting and allows for bomber pilot skill to figure more into damage applied. I think its worth looking at. Not sure how well the servers will like them though.

Why small ships don't just get deleted by bombs (I understand the mechanics) is a mystery. With your model, that is exactly what would happen (not saying its a bad thing) unless they were able to get out of the AoE. Intended? At least you could scatter an inty fleet.

This post is confusing. Why does it have everything to do with STEALTH BOMBERS and then something about DICTOR BUBBLES? Makes it sound as if you are able to drop these dictor bubbles FROM BOMBERS. If not, then why is it even mentioned here, yea, BUBBLES HAVE CAPTURED BOMBERS SINCE THEY WERE RELEASED, what is the point of redundantly posting about it in a BOMBER RELEASE page?

Are these warp disruption bubbles able to be dropped from a Bomb Launcher or are you just letting everyone know the obvious?

Its ccp they often will drop in other changes in threads that aren't about it. at least this time the new dictor bubble is being introduced to try to be a counter to SB's

The hard bits are the AoE calculations- working out who you hit and applying damage to all of them. The damage would be a simple lookup table plus the typical skill lookup; compared to all the maths involved in gunnery it shouldn't be a significant issue.

You can disagree. I think I touched on a pretty good point why this statement is valid. Cloak is a strong ability, especially covert ops cloak. the decloak change discourages using cloaks en masse. Consider how many applications of the covert cloak are affected, where numbers were used to overcome the balance that was intended to offset the ability.

Pretty sure I never said anything about stopping ISBoxers. I'm not one of those, I promise you.