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Why not make the fatigue effect the ship as well as the pilot. The ship could be at risk of becoming atomised or some such sci fi explanation if it isn't allowed to rest after multiple jumps. Much like a car overheating if you drive it at break neck speed continually without rest, just on a much greater scale.

I can totally understand 5 or 10 minute cooldown for every jump. Or a minute per light-year.

But having to schedule jumping days or weeks in advance for my personal logistics.

Ouch.

I guess PL will need to go back to never-never land where they actually had to use subcaps. We might actually see the real PL again.

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http://imgur.com/a/odOr2

I'm not part of one of the supercap powerblocks, nor do I own a super/titan/dread, and only have one carrier pilot with one carrier. Fights like 6VDT and B-R are what kept me into this game even though I was 100% in subcaps at the time. Eliminating the possibility of them, on top of warp speed changes that killed off battleship doctrines, just makes this game not worth playing.

o7 Interceptors/Cruisers/T3s-online

Why dont you come back in four weeks? Your forums page jump timer must be through the roof after reading all this.

I'm sorry, but my forum alt colleague is right.

The first thing I noticed on the forums is the perfect mirror of the risk adverse players in game: the change adverse player, the one that simply reply "no" a proposed change, or simply don't want a change because it touch their gameplay.

When CCP changed the industry, some months ago, ALL the industrialist went in panic mode, me included, and it took months before understanding how to do industry with a good profit after the changes. We had to move pos, redesign structures, remove some pieces of our pos to add new ones. We had to "understand" how to make compression of ore something logistically worthy (isk wise it's worthy, logistically is simply isk/hour worthy). We had to understand where to produce our stuff, and again study a logistic network to buy stuff, bring it to our pos, and take it back to the trade hubs.

My point is "The power is logistic, if you block the logistic, you block the power", and that's something you can see in real life too, a strike of transportation means good cannot be delivered to the factories or to the cities. Reducing jump capabilities, but allowing gate jump means null sec power blocks will need to be more similar a W-Space entity, producing all their need inside their null SOV, changing their production plans from "import / export" to "being self sufficent".

The real issue in all these changes and the increased difficulties in importing high sec goods into null is the possible starvation of Tritanium/Scordite for null entities. As today the massive request of compressed roids for the null sec industry already make compressing ore a profitable job, but after the increased risk related to the reduced abilty of JF to do a single jump travel from Jita to their home system in null is going to reflect on the market of compressed ore, and consequentially the basic ore market.

Now, before I mocked a little bit those null pilots calling the unsub card just because they cannot hotdrop on the other side of the universe anymore, but I'm totally surprised none of them actually considered that with smaller jump the chance of being caught into a subcap brawl is going to increase massively, and with that cap losses risk to become an unbearable cost for null entities. It's easy to replace and move strategic cruisers, advanced frigates / cruisers and battleships, but what about capital ship? Remember a capital ship doesn't fit into a JF, and you have to move it with the new jump fatigue mechanic or via jump gate (see gate camps). Caps will needed to be built close the field where they are supposed to be used, and possibly with the most materials obtained close to it.

With the increased possible loss of caps and super caps, how is going to react the low end mineral market?
Are we going to see an increase of low end minerals in null sec?

Regardless, as someone mentioned, caps / super caps fight are amazing to see, and advertise a fight as "the biggest loss ever in a videogame" sounds cool, but what keeps the game alive are subcap fights, from interceptors roams to more organized subcap fleets. Nullguys need to adapt, like the high sec industrialist did.

At times i really dislike you're way of forumwarrrioring ,,,, but then times like these make me want to cuddle you all day long.

5ly is a laughably short range, that means most nullsec will not be viable for extraction. Rolling is not an option because you are in a hostile system. I agree it'll be doable but much more annoying, and this certainly will reduce the amount of people putting up with that.

More imporantly more waiting should not be the goal of changes to the game.

It's absolutely brilliant, and I love it too!

This is some of the best news I've read in a while! CCP is actually fixing null?! What?!

It's a bold change. Null needs bold changes. I would even argue the JFs and Rorqs need to join the rest of the caps in this... but this is really great. This is going to make null a lot more interesting. I really think they are going to hit their design goals on this. ...and it's not just a jump nerf. It's a really clever new mechanic. CCP just made EvE a much bigger place. Location and actions in EvE ALL have a lot more meaning and value now. Patrols and small gangs will matter more. The immersion factor increases (teleportation in it's present form is just silly). Logistics becomes an actual concern for pods again, and tradelanes everywhere from highsec to null will be much more active. The maps need to be redrawn and reconceptualized. Strategic and tactical manuals need to be tossed out and rewritten. Just think about all the gameplay this adds. ...just brilliant.

You knocked it out of the park with this, CCP Greyscale.

...now if only resources were non-conformal.

edit: Ya know... with this change, imho, the movement problem in EvE is SOLVED. No jumping in Empire was a kind of work-around fix. I don't see why we couldn't allow jumping in Empire now. Maybe CCP will take a look at that once this change has been deployed.