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Hey folks, here's my couple cents on this.

I have near to 0 experience in Null, but I do have some in WH life, and I have a couple of questions/concerns.

1. Getting to the entrance wormhole - Concern
As it stands, the entrances to a wormhole can be entirely across the map, and with the jump cooldown coming in to play (I'll get into the rate for my first question question) this will severely limit our ability to get into the wormhole in the first place. If it's across the map, even with gate access, we may miss the wormhole with the rate of increase on the cooldown, which is near exponential levels, rather than a geometric based approach. Once the capital is in the wormhole, all is fine and dandy, but initially getting the capital in there will be a problem, especially if neighbouring wormholes don't have a hole anywhere close either.

2. Rate of Jump Cooldown growth - Concern
From what I saw in CCP's initial post, the growth rate of the cooldown is nearly exponential. We see after several jumps, the cooldown being ~20+ minutes, which isn't bad, but then after that we have round a 1.5 hr cooldown. it'll be much, MUCH longer. Wouldn't a more geometric approach of a standard, or slowly increasing jump time be appropriate, rather than something that makes jumping nearly impossible after several long (near 5 LY) jumps?

I just did the math with a corpmate, and essentially you can move 3-4 regions over (depending on size) in about 3 hours. If you want to move another one, it'll increase the time to about 10 hours, and if you wait all that out, it'll take another 40 hours on top of that if you wish to jump again. Approximately. My numbers may not be exact, but that's the general idea. Essentially, jump cool down follows a bit of a pattern:
Jump 1: CD = ~6 minutes (5.942 minutes)
Jump 2: CD = ~5.5 minutes (5.3 minutes)
Jump 3: CD = ~20-25 minutes (22.9 minutes)
Jump 4: CD = ~1.5 hours (99.96 minutes)
Jump 5: CD = ~8 hours (483.83 minutes)
Jump 6: CD = ~ 40 hours (2220.82 minutes) * All numbers are approximate. I rounded, etc.

Assuming you jump near max distance of 5 LY as soon as the previous cooldown finishes, using the model CCP gave in the dev blog. I went from Hasama (The Citadel) to Esaeel (Aridia) in a Redeemer with JDC II, a max range of 5.25 LY, and I ignored any jump that went over 5 LY.

So essentially, any jump over 20 LY isn't really worth it, unless you can wait. Even then, if you need to get somewhere fast, your best bet would be to just take 3 jumps over 10 minutes, and then manually pilot it, jumping should the opportounity arise.

Small groups would have the time to move cyno pilots in place, and large alliances most likely already have them in place, so that's not a big issue, it's more the jump time itself. I didn't account for Jump freighters, or Rorquals etc, this would just be capitals flying at the max of 5 LY.

This allows you to fly several regions over in a reasonable time frame, but after a while, it just becomes an exponential rate of growth, and flying through 40 gates is suddenly appealing, rather than waiting all that time to move 5 LY.

This DEFINITELY will shake up Null, but it also isn't friendly when trying to get people in cap ships into wormholes. It's almost better to wait or roll the hole until you get one within 5-10 LY than to ever try to get one in otherwise. At least we do have wormhole chains to follow and the like, to increase our chances. Provided the wormholes stay alive, that is.

That's true. They probably know that, so they won't deploy any caps in the 5LY distance of YA0-XJ. Everything else isn't "near us" anymore.

For all these people screaming about the JF nerf:

Where have you been for the past several years? What they've been trying to do is push nullsec to focus more on self-sufficiency and manufacturing their own supplies rather than the frankly ludicrous idea that you should be pulling in all your goods from hisec trade hubs.
You've been used to the ability to hop across the galaxy for lightning speeds for so long you've lost sight of how absurd and unbalanced that is as a game mechanic. You're not SUPPOSED to be able to have field control over the entire galaxy, or the ability to truck things from wherever you want to. Distance being an actual barrier to travel is realistic and it's been way too damn long for something like this coming. +1 and keep it coming.

Just make sure that with the next phase you focus on more constructive vs destructive changes for groups, since these huge null groups need more incentive to produce all their goods locally.

EDIT: Yes I am aware the biggest issue facing nullsec local industry is the lack of any low-end ore like veld or scord and minerals like mex for manufacturing needs. This is an idiotic thing that has gone on for too damn long and can easily be fixed by having ore amounts be scaled downward by system sec. you can still bar some of the stuff like dark or whatever from hisec, but having ore quality and amount WITH the normal stuff like veld or scord at the same or greater quantity in there.

Really curious as to how many accounts have been unsubbed today.

Is there a way to check?

Personally, if this is going to go through in November I will be getting my personal assets safe, help my corp move anything it deems needs moving and unsub everything except my main, then see what happens, No caps means I don't need alts.

#SummerOfDiscontent

I do love how a lot of people here "threaten" to quit over something that wouldn't make their lives easier. I might not have been here for Incarna, but I wonder how many pilots threatened to quit during that time but never did.

I also wonder how many people here, who threaten to quit, will actually follow through come the release. My guess is that they'll try it, learn to deal with it, and move on.

CCP Greyscale: Will jump fatigue cool down while an account is unsubbed? Because when **** hits the fan and I jump as soon as possible because my spacebros need help my super won't be able to jump again for a cpl of months and i cba to keep an account just subbed for that?!

What about upper limit to fatigue/cooldown to something like 30min ?

and why 5 LY ?

Sion Kumitomo @siggonK · 2 min

The 0.0 CSM do not support all these changes. Some were discussed at the summit, the rest, only had one day to look at. #tweetfleet #csm9

I thought ccp had learned from this (insert previous gates here)

Cyno theory just jumped 20+ blops and carriers on a 15 man t1 cruiser fleet


This is what should be stopped LOL

Welcome to the world of dread/carrier caches.


Can we please get a refinery to smelt supers into dreads and carriers?