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1. Its not like the CFC has been bleeding space lately, and it does the same for a lot of other groups too
2. Your not pidgeonholed at all, if you want to be an industry and combat toon its still very possible, im going to keep being both after this change. All you have to do to be both is edit your skill queue really. The Ones who really benefit in fact are the ones who can do both or more, jack of all trades players really.

Need to Grab things from market or take things to market? Grab the jumpfreighter and jump her down
POS Got bashed or a POCO? Jump in the carrier and rep it
Need to Mine some more mexallon for that ammo or drones? Grab the mack
Need to build said ammo? Open the factory interface
Need to Invent T2 drone copies? Easy
Need your PVP fix? Grab your choice and go kill some stuff.

I could go on for days, specialized alts help yes, but if you can really be largely independent then this change will be huge for you

I have to say Low sec is becoming a great place to call home lately.
Mordus belt spawns
Tag spawns
Decent DED's
Easy Logistics
Ghost sites
L5's

I could go on for a while, it seems like in the changes to "Fix" Null Sec CCP is building up other space before implementing drastic changes to the fundamentals of how it operates. Guess we will see more in Phase 2 and 3 of "Rebuilding Null Sec" and to be honest it has me rather excited for what could be coming, were back in unknown territory again, and anything could happen

We will be actively participating in the comments thread of this blog and listening elsewhere around the internet.
These changes will be appearing on the Singularity test server in the next couple of weeks.
We anticipate shipping them in Phoebe, which comes out in November.
We are expecting to make follow-up adjustments in Rhea, in December.
The medium-term shake-out of these changes will be very impactful on sovereignty-system changes we are anticipating making next year, so we are expecting to revisit all this again as the work on those changes progresses.


So I wonder how much will be revised between nov and dec. I ask we find a good balance now.

Yeah yeah

I know Vince Draken's boys are coming for us.

While I aplaud the effort to fix nulsec and in general agree with the directions taken I think the distance restriction on the Caps is going to seriously hamper access to any Nulsec area, but particularly those that have significant jumps that are already heavily camped to get to nul from low sec (like drone space).

This will be such a serious problem that the only way I see to get there is through gates that the caps can not live through (because of the camps) and thus the desire to be there is gone..... at least for folks needing to move resources etc to nulsec. Seems like the opposite approach might be better.

In fact, a suggestion I have heard over and over is to limit how long an alliance can hold sov without actually doing some sort of meaningful work in the system they want sov over. Might kill renter Alliances but would allow for better access to those that are actually willing to work the systems.

However I feel strongly that making it even harder and more expensive to live in Nul is not the way to encourage people to come to 0.0 to fight and live. It needs to be more profitable and perhaps more accessible.

Rather funny since you're in a renter alliance.

Does PL regularly live in that space, or do you?

This is rather naïve - because it ignores where logistics and troops move from:

Logistics movements originate in factories / farms / distribution centres out of theatre. While troops originally mobilise out of theatre once mobilised, 'the troops' are typically in theatre and typically attack or manoeuvre from their last objective to their new objective.

Meanwhile the logistics train must service the continual process of resupply from home to the front via the network of supply infrastructure.

This means that the 'chuck wagon' must be capable of moving faster and further than troops because of the relative distances travelled.

So move the cyno alts, that's part of the way in which is makes logistics take longer and beneficial to do as part of a team.


So you are not, in fact, happy that logistics is going to take longer. Bit of a self contradiction there, but we can let that go.


It's not a solo endeavor. It should not be easy for a single person the move the quantities freighters/JFs are capable of hauling.
The entire point is to make logistics a more involved task. To the end of involving more people, increasing prices/scarcity, isolate distant areas of the map, and potentially help propagate new hubs throughout the game.
It's good that you wont do it. I'm glad it's impractical for you to do so.
That's the point. That's the proof that it's working.


No, no not at all.


Despite what people seem to think, this game wasn't created with the intent of having everyone log in, undock for some "gudfights" and log off again. Day in, day out.
If you think that's what the game should be, or that's what is enjoyable to you, that's an entirely different conversation. But that's not EVE as it was intended, or even as it currently is, outside of certain circumstances that have allowed it to become that for some.

And clearly the ability for entities to transport ships, supplies, and materials around anywhere, quickly, easily, and safely... has nothing to do with force projection........
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To anyone reading this:
If you actually enjoy doing logistics currently and proudly call yourself a logistics pilot, you would not find this to be a bad change. Quite the opposite, you would rejoice in that fact that logistics are about to become a whole lot more important to a whole lot more people. They are about to become an even more desirable trade, and the pilots who enjoy doing it, that much more coveted.

If you don't enjoy logistics now, and simply put up with them, then of course you're going to hate having to do more logistics.
Get some friends.
You can't enjoy doing logistics, and then hate a change that means you'll have to do more logistics.

There is a reason that someone who enjoys doing logistics is rare. It's not enjoyable to most people lol.
But it helps give value to things.
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Everyone has become so accustomed to moving these insane volumes of material by themselves with a few accounts, quickly, easily, safely anywhere in New Eden. Almost on a whim.
CCP made a mistake in ever letting logistics get to this point to begin with. Which is why it's going to be so painful for the pilots who currently do them to adjust to these large changes, not just in this patch, but in future patches as well I imagine.
It's going to be hard changing this aspect of the game drastically enough to get the desired result of making large scale logistics a truly difficult endeavor to be partaken by large entities.

I was talking to a few friends last night and there all going to re-sub due to the new changes coming.

They mentioned they are very excited about the whole drama that will unfold and the new changes that will be implemented.

+1 CCP this is going to be hilarious. Best nerf ever

logistics in eve often needs to supersede a battle or even a war. Most ships that see battle are moved someplace long before they see combat. This effects null sec trade hubs by discouraging the few people who make it a full time job, yes however it is nice it puts more pressure for people to work together.

As i read it the goal is to make it take more time to blob capitals, thus encouraging the use of carriers in things like gate camps. Having some secondary positive and negative effects.

Personally i am moving my stash out of null and am going to live in lowsec now thanks to the threat of this change, because it is uncertain if all my friendlies are going to just take off and i end up having a bunch of isk trapped out in no mans land.

To get capitals used in roams is worthy cause, but lets focus on the difference between time delay of combat jumps versus logistics.