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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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Timm3h
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#721 - 2014-10-01 19:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Timm3h
Remember when I said CCP was turning wormhole space into nullsec?

Well you can call me Nostradamus, because in a few weeks your jump drives will be as useless as ours.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#722 - 2014-10-01 19:14:24 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:
lolcorpholder alt wrote:
Why tell about this now and not 1 week before the change? What is different in here as compared to the language channels situation?


Phoebe is in like November.


And if the changes ship in this form you won't have to worry about any patches post Phoebe because CCP will be out of business before the end of the year.
CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#723 - 2014-10-01 19:14:29 UTC
Cr Turist wrote:
how about a fixed cool down timer for capital jumps say 5-10 mins. forget this silly 5ly thing and all this other madness your talking about. its quick its easy it makes sense.


To hit our target of being faster to gate-warp than to jump, and our benchmark of 3m/LY for gate-warping caps around, for a 17 LY carrier jump the cooldown would need to be 51 minutes.

Jenn aSide wrote:


Reducing the number of hot drops in a game whose economy depends on ships going boom is not and never can be a good thing. CCP is making a bad move here, it remains to be seen how long after it's implemented for this to sit in with them. I expect 'un-nerfs' within 6 to 12 weeks of this change.


That logic also suggests that giving ships a 10% chance to explode every minute would be a good change. I don't wholly trust that logic.
Lord TGR
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#724 - 2014-10-01 19:14:35 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
This is an amazing change and I think people are failing already to see the long term implications of what you're doing here today.

Change nothing (you dont need to effect Jump Clones since at best you can only use that to move every 19 hours) and ship it as is, dont cave to any whining about any of it.

You either use gates, or you pay the price to move through teleportation for any ship in EVE.


I expect a lot more roaming coming into our Eve.

This isn't what you said the last time something like this was brought up on kugu. Funny, that.
soulkiller3
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#725 - 2014-10-01 19:14:52 UTC
CCP you just made my day
Mia Tung
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#726 - 2014-10-01 19:15:15 UTC
Nys Cron wrote:
This is the worst proposed changed I have seen so far and the first that will probably make me unsub if it goes through. CCP seem to completely misunderstand the problems EVE has and have decided to break the game.

This will essentially remove capitals as an interesting ship class and certainly cause a lot of the older players to unsubscribe because their endgame content just got removed.


Even as W-Space corp this will be unbelievably annoying as we will no longer be able to bring capitals in through most of our nullsec/lowsec connections and JFs will be completely worthless.


As lowsec corp it will be A LOT harder to get supplies, especially for small corps that can not escort their Freighters into lowsec.


The fix for big fights and the broken sov systems lies in changing how capitals work on grid and how sov mechanics work, not in changing jump mechanics.


qft
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#727 - 2014-10-01 19:15:54 UTC
So........ will a Cyno Jammer block hostile capitals from entering your system via stargate... otherwise cyno jammers become pretty much entirely redundant.
Bobmon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#728 - 2014-10-01 19:15:55 UTC
Ok imagine this:

You jump in system, You already jumped before and you are 20 years old!!
then when you are 100 and you are laying on your bed about to die you can ask your son to jump you out!

Still looking for more to make opinion posts! Let the Community SPEAK!

@BobmonEVE - BOBMON FOR CSM 12
Bort Malice
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#729 - 2014-10-01 19:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bort Malice
CCP Greyscale wrote:


It's going to have a significant impact, to be sure, and that's something we need to keep an eye on. At the same time, though, people built T2 ships and modules before jump freighters existed, so we're somewhat skeptical of the argument that that T2 construction is impossible without JFs.



Or BLOPS, or bridged BRs, or anything really.

Infact how is anyone NOT in a Nulliance going to get the smallest shred of anything out of null with this set up?

Running a dozen camped null gates three times is simply not an acceptable alternative.

No one said impossible.

But the idea that there wont be a price rise after this out side of null is myopic to be quite frank.

Why are small operators being hobbled?
Eigenvalue
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#730 - 2014-10-01 19:16:57 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:

I expect a lot more roaming coming into our Eve.


Only extremely wealthy players would consider moving capital ships through gates, and even they wouldn't do it because they will be ritually mocked every time they welp because they jumped into a T2 bubble and had to slow boat for 45 minutes.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#731 - 2014-10-01 19:17:00 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:

It's going to have a significant impact, to be sure, and that's something we need to keep an eye on. At the same time, though, people built T2 ships and modules before jump freighters existed, so we're somewhat skeptical of the argument that that T2 construction is impossible without JFs.

They used carriers, which were longer range than current JFs. JFs were introduced with the carrier nerf (before then, you'd load up iterons in your carrier and it effectively held ~200km3) T2 production has never existed in any serious amount without long-range jump capability, as you'll find in the short period between Castor and Cold War there was very little t2 manufacturing (no invention, t2 expensive as all ******* hell and everyones poor).

I would expect the cost of T2 materials to go up but i believe allowing some regions of space to use gates (those really long regional gates) and then hop-skotching over the smaller gates may become a thing.

I bet DOTLAN is going to have a really hard time programming a way to determine new ways to plan routes.

Guess I need to use my brain now.
Mira Meroda
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#732 - 2014-10-01 19:17:40 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Cr Turist wrote:
how about a fixed cool down timer for capital jumps say 5-10 mins. forget this silly 5ly thing and all this other madness your talking about. its quick its easy it makes sense.


To hit our target of being faster to gate-warp than to jump, and our benchmark of 3m/LY for gate-warping caps around, for a 17 LY carrier jump the cooldown would need to be 51 minutes.

Jenn aSide wrote:


Reducing the number of hot drops in a game whose economy depends on ships going boom is not and never can be a good thing. CCP is making a bad move here, it remains to be seen how long after it's implemented for this to sit in with them. I expect 'un-nerfs' within 6 to 12 weeks of this change.


That logic also suggests that giving ships a 10% chance to explode every minute would be a good change. I don't wholly trust that logic.


Don't you see the keyword here. WAIT?

I am not playing a game to WAIT.
Arcos Vandymion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#733 - 2014-10-01 19:17:44 UTC
/me keeps on carebearing

Continue with all your tears and rage gentlemen - Null will survive if this game survives. If it ain't you inhabiting it it will be someone else.
Based on previous "this will kill eve/null/high/low" I predict that ... nothing much will happen. At all. Maybe someone is gonna go at war in Delve again or something, maybe not. Maybe the Blop Doctrine Ship of choice will be changed, maybe not. I'll be continue playing, no maybe.

Good day
Ms Forum Alt
Doomheim
#734 - 2014-10-01 19:17:58 UTC
Itachi XIII wrote:
what do you guys smoke there. half of this **** is retared.


Comment of the week. Lol
War Porcika
Hamster Holding Corp
#735 - 2014-10-01 19:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: War Porcika
I would like to thank CCP, to give me the final push to leave the game, and go playing Kerbal Space program. Cool
TharOkha
0asis Group
#736 - 2014-10-01 19:18:04 UTC
BrutalButFair wrote:
A titan is capital right? hows a 15k sig ship going to fit through a 5k sig stargate?Roll


its the future, duh..

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#737 - 2014-10-01 19:18:07 UTC
Bobmon wrote:
Ok imagine this:

You jump in system, You already jumped before and you are 20 years old!!
then when you are 100 and you are laying on your bed about to die you can ask your son to jump you out!

Still looking for more to make opinion posts! Let the Community SPEAK!

You sound a little biased here to be a news editor Roll

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
ArmyOfMe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#738 - 2014-10-01 19:18:08 UTC
<3 you have allmost redeemed yourselfs for removing the norwegian channel, but just allmost Blink

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
ze Naari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#739 - 2014-10-01 19:18:11 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Black ops balance is something that's definitely still open for discussion. Thanks for this post :)

keep your hands off of it. thx
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#740 - 2014-10-01 19:18:14 UTC
How many times would I have to bridge to multiply up my fatigue enough to never realistically be able to jump again. Blatantly going to do that on an alt.

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