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To be fair, the C5/C6 people don't have to do regular supply runs through space like ours that has thousands of subcaps and hundreds of bored supercap/titan pilots who see them the second the enter local.

Considering how often theory-crafting is wrong, lets see how this plays out.

Should be interesting to see either way.


By the way, adapting to change is called adapting since you actually have to adapt and come up with new ways of doing things.

And you can be in a C5 one minute and in HS the next, once you have scanned down your average 1 to 2 jump, WH route.

Wormhole Ops usually revolve around one POS and no Sov bills. They don't hinge on massive fleets to defend, they hinge on seclusion being their defense.

And the limitation on how many Caps/Supercaps can come their way once they are found...

I wonder if anyone has discussed being able to dock supers? If there's going to be a penalty, there should be a mitigating factor to the penalty, with skills and the ability to dock to "affect repairs" whatever. If the fatigue is going to run through downtime, then will a safe logoff be negated because of fatigue or jump timer? Is balance not de rigeur anymore?

If I can't log off safely, then in the immortal words of Russell Peters...
"Someone's gonna get a hurt real baaaaad"

I read somewhere that it won't affect logoff timers, especially since they are talking about capping fatigue at a month, logoff timers affected by that would be pretty bad.

As far as docking Supercaps, I don't these jump changes justify that.

What about Capship maintence arrays in HiSec if they eventually allow Capital and Supercaptial ships in HiSec.

I could go for that, since a wardec could allow the destruction of them.

Note: I still think Caps/Supercaps shouldn't be able to engage in combat or assists in HiSec though.

But they could just spam Cynos then and any limit on entering a system or constellation can be gamed.

With any luck, a year from now the term 'space like ours' will have new meaning for you

All true. Still, to say it is impossible to get to deep null is complete rubbish.

Use scouts, improvise, think laterally. There will be ways to get goods to deep null.

If you're in a big alliance you'll be able to escort jump freighters if you aren't completely gung ho. There is also every chance that even if you are spotted neighbours won't have an enemy fleet within jump range of you anyway.

You could also use carriers for carrying stuff. Setup safes in the middle of systems, jump to them and cloak waiting for the timer to chill out before you jump again.

Black Ops + cloaky haulers.

It's not going to be easy, but it's all feasible to do.

you and every other person who has ever done logistics ever.

seriously guys, this isn't going to create all the small regional blocks and subcap fights and player interaction that you are hoping. It is going to consolidate power with the groups big enough to deal with the logistics challenges (your crazy if you don't think goons can stage at least one cap fleet in every region once they are the only ones capable of making money from moon goo) and cause anyone smaller than several hundred extremely active members to simply stop trying to survive in null. Null is going to become nothing but open space with the only people living there being a couple major alliances and renters who can't do anything but rat. Low is going to become what null is now with the big alliances securing it to ensure they can maintain their logistics chains and installing pets to maintain it.

we all know that scrapping an announced change is not going to happen but can you at least ease into this one a little so all the people who do the work to keep the game going (logistics and indy guys) don't leave in droves and make the game painfully boring? Maybe start with something like limiting jump range to 10ly and a .5 decay and have some in game events that correlate to increases in the nerfitude every couple weeks. you could even let players slow it down or speed it up somehow. At least that way every group smaller than 2000 players doesn't say **** it and just pack up and head to high all at once. More of a fast leak than the entire **** exploding.



you've said this several times and, again, we all know that regardless of how much we complain or how many subs you lose your implementing these changes, but I would like to point out that there are many vastly important differences between now and ~10 years ago that make that comparison invalid.

CCP has taken a VERY pvp-centric stance on development over the last few years especially, if you aren't a big group you aren't going to be able to move capitals by gate because you won't have the support necessary to do so. especially since the big blocks will now be incentivized to steamroll low and install pets. Not to mention the exponentially larger number of players now will make it that much harder for small groups to move around. It's a different game now, which is why it's been fun to play for so long, but you can't compare now to then. You won't be able to load up a freighter and sneak it out with a hand full of friends, nor would that amount to a sustainable logistics plan if you managed it. You won't be able to move MarkV convoys with the volume necessary to sustain industry without a fairly substantial fleet and some luck. You won't be able to move goods via capitals without a large group of people. the simple fact is that even a small industrial operation will require logistics to be done by dozens of palyers with support from dozens or even hundreds more, and all but the largest alliances just don't have enough players who think hauling is fun to deal with this. It WILL consolidate T2 production to the large blocks who will handle these changes the same way they do every other, by leveraging their massive numbers and wealth. Things will go back to the days when only the major blocks had enough money to really make money and they will be invulnerable from everything but infighting. It will make it harder for them but it will raise the bar to a point where only they can afford to play the game. The rest of us will either join them or sit in high unable to do much other than missions... what fun...