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You know instead of making changes that make no logical sense (granted it is a sci-fi) game, wouldn't it just be easier to impliment a Jump Drive Spool Timer & Cool Down instead of actually thinking for one second that anyone is going to believe that "jump drive" capable ships don't travel via artificially created wormholes(aka instantly travel from point A to point B)? OR that "jump fatigue" would ever actually be a thing. Because if it was, then jumping through real Wormholes and Stargates needs to have jump fatigue too. Not that I'm trying to be realistic here or anything.

It is simple... drop the stupid fatigue and "travel delay" (because there is no delay when using a wormhole of any kind) and give jump capable ships spool timers and cool down timers. Jumping 1ly? Ship takes 30 seconds to one minute to calibrate sensors in order to lock on. 10ly? 5-10 minutes. Then piddle with the cool down timer however you please.

This entire argument about force projection simple comes from the fact you can drop capitals from A to B in seconds. Introduce timers and boom, that force projection is practically gone.

Much hard.
So confusing.
Wow.

No time at all. There is a MASSIVE capital/super capital fleet already present in Deklein.



As is Branch from every other region for a meaningfull invasion. But Branch has a direct access from Deklein, and is reachable for subcap fleets easily. It might even be reachable for capital fleets. What a lot of people forget is that jump fatique is quite manageble when you keep the amount of jumps low. You can do two jumps and do the rest by gates, which is reasonably doable for the Deklein-Branche regions. The logistics of getting CFC caps to Branch is easier then getting a capital fleet from the Drone regions to Branch for instance.

And it might even be possible the CFC piles a capital cache fleet in a border station system in Venal or a system in branch, off which the capital pilots just fly to in a big interceptor blob, accessing the cap ships and such making the amount of jumps needed for the capital fleet as low as possible.

Workarounds are being thought out and new forms of force projection are being tested already. The only thing certain is that alliances who live in null sec close to high sec (do not forget CFC space has a direct highsec-null sec acces, as does HED-GP for the Catch/Providence regions) will be able to dig themselves in quite nice, while alliances who live far away will have serious troubles. Personally i think the result of this will be that null sec close to highsec will be heavily populated (it is already in the west, and the direct south) and regions further away will even get lesser population and might only be usable for explorers since it will be impossible or very difficult to live there. For the drone regions this will possibly mean a massive depopulation with the odd ratting carrier in some end systems.

The big problem CCP has is that they digged themself a hole with stuff they did in the past. The nerf to moonmining and the upkeep costs to null sec regions made it so that alliances needed massive organisation to counter this. Better organisation with renters and such led to stagnation. Personally i think it would be better if CCP made taking sov cheap or even free, unnerf moonmining and make that a valuable income source again, return to the tower sov system and add twenty new null sec regions, with patches of high sec and low sec inbetween them so small groups can establish bases which can't be tempered with much by big groups. But i strongly have the impression the code of EVE is so old it is getting very difficult to do neat stuff with it, so they just change some numbers.

We now see these ideas for this coming expansion, and its all nerfs. There was also nothing spectacular in this latest expansion. I have yet to see nice stuff to go along with these changes like new ships or regions.

I also think if supercap domination and force projection is a problem, it might be a better idea to introduce a new shiptype, similar to a bomber, which is able to fire a massive torpedo or bomb with an enormous amount of damage for instance. A doomsday for small glasscanon ships for instance. Or who can fire a detonation device into a small exhaust port in those massive titan hulls. Heheheheh. :)

Don't be silly, even if you have less pilots than the enemy, as long as you split up enough, there's no way they can stop you.

It will take us a couple of hours to move a cap/super fleet after the changes. (Hint: we won't use our jumpdrives because the threat of a counterdrop just went 'POOF'.) Everybody is going to march, no riding the bus any more.

Obviously your carriers should be travelling along with your fleet.

They just seem so unimaginative. They have this beautiful universe they created, this sandbox as they call it. There is so much potential for this game for everyone, new player or old. Yet instead of trying to see EVE for what it can be, they can't see past their own noses and just tinker with numbers and existing features, some of which by the way weren't broken and changes were unnecessary (what the heck did Jukebox do to anybody to get removed?)

They added T3 cruisers and stopped. I expected T3 BS hulls with same versatility. There is quite a gap between largest subcapital hull and capital hull. They could add a hull in between the two classes. Bigger than BS, but smaller than a capital. They can create Constellation Type Missile that is equipped with jump drive and can be fired from different system at a capital/structure target as long as target is painted by special type of ship. Missile can be chased/intercepted and shot upon by special type of frig to make it more fun. They can make empires and NPC factions participate in sov warfare and invade null similar to how incursions happen.

I mean the amount of stuff they can do to make this game fun and entertaining is staggering. While old, game still has huge potential. It is not the code that is making this game crap, it is unimaginative work CCP is doing. So lazy and unimaginative.

CCP Greyscale explained that:

1) Lots of extra caps to switch to is a weaker limiter for the big corps than having extra cap pilots to get around fatigue. Hence, they attached the limit to the pilots, not the ships.

2) Making a ship-based limit persist through repackaging would be an unwanted technical challenge.

3) A primary goal for these changes is to get caps using gates instead of jumps for travel farther than ~20 LY. Hence the decision to nerf jump range and frequency and open up the gates.

that can be avoided by docking and would only effect supers, carriers or dreads or bridged fleets could just repair in station

i like the changes so far the only thing that hurts is the jumprange for JF
as someone that believes local production should be a must in 0.0 space i add a few comments

i believe it would be fair for logistic pilots if the timer would kick in only if the jf pilot jumps in rapit succesion of 3 times or more

lets say jf pilots have a special training or eq on board with that in place they can jump many times(up to 3) withou timer
after that the timer kicks in because of the rapid jumps the fatige hits the pilot realy hard te first timer at 30min or more i would say up to 3-4h after lets say 48h the jumps the jf pilot can jump without timer is back to 3 but only if no timer is present

all jf pilots i know run logistcs in around 15-30 min and 1 to 3 times a week while supportet with scouts and cynos at least allow jf pilots to reach all possible home systems in one jumpchain without waiting and hit them after that most people hate logistic at least dont make the time spent with this activity any longer than

CCP already said they stopped reading this thread at page 200 because apparently 2 days is long enough for players to think through the changes, discuss, and give feedback. Better than the CSM though!