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but you don't reduce your ehp at all; you are aware you can refit your carrier on another carrier from your gang, yes? so you travel nano fit, then when you reach your destination you refit in 30"; yes, mwd it's ok, not sure if it wil work in a 250 man gang, considering all the bumping around; and we have mods that increase warp speed now, don't we?
and yea, it you fit for travel a carrier will travel faster than a plated bs ; there have been posts in they very thread with fittings where carriers where shaming bs in terms of regular travel, im just to lazy to dig them out

Warp speed optimized carrier warps at cruiser speed and with a little further tweaking such a Nid is only slightly less "agile" than a BS. And thats without even getting implants into the equation.

Well, we will have to use bubbles a lot I guess, so it will be interceptors... and carriers are a bit hard to take down with interceptors. We stopped using them as much (I think) due to interceptors. And hotdrops. But now, keeping out the non-interceptors might be worth it?

Unless I guess you get caught in a hotdrop... or perhaps nullified t3 roams.

It’s an odd way to fix a problem, it may solve power projection, it may not.

The biggest unintended problem is this:
Harder for people to change careers so they don’t and leave.



Little Bobby Tables is a nasty low sec pirate who has been playing less and less, his current home region is Khannid. It has become very quiet recently with no content and his poor corp is becoming more and more inactive.

He decided to make a change, Little Bobby Table is going to shake things up a bit and get back into EVE! He joins a FW corp. He then goes about planning how he is going to move all of the ships he has built up over the past year.

He could sell them? but the region is very quiet so would end up having to take huge losses. He would also just end up buying them again in his new home.

Little Bobby Tables looks at his ship hanger, puts a few on the market and decides it’s going to require 3 carrier trips to move everything he wants, so in total but this is lowsec to lowsec so it’s only 2 mid points so in total its 15 separate jumps and a hell of allot of logging on/off/moving with cyno alts. It takes Little Bobby Tables 4 hours to move everything with all the problems of moving. (cyno's getting killed, items left in a ship’s cargo hold not enough fuel and having to redock to buy more).

Little Bobby Tables ends the night Tired but happy. He is about to start something new in his EVE Career.

Now imagine this after the patch. 15 Jumps turns into 60 carrier jumps combine this with the new cool down and Little Bobby Tables has to spend the next week moving to his new home.

Little Bobby Tables never relocates to his new corp, he left most of his stuff behind. Little Bobby tables is kicked for not relocating and slowly stops playing EVE.

EVE has lasted so long because it’s about new starts, you do something for a while get bored come back and try something new, I know pilots who have left because they were too lazy to move to a more exciting place because it was so much effort before this patch.

After this patch my fear is that there is a steady stream of players who leave and never come back because it is too hard to relocate and do something new.
What’s even scarier is that it won’t be something that CCP will notice as it will be a trickle, but a steady trickle where we will not see players return.

The only way to solve this problem while still hurting power projection would be to have stations to ship Ships to new stations, you could put a week delay on the contract or something or some kind of once a month thing. Would make moving home to try new things much easier, and I bet the null guys preparing for war would love you.

But I thought tons of lowsec and nullsec (npc null) people were going to resub in order to take down the big blocs.

By which we just mean CFC, northerassociatedot and b0t don't offend anyone


In fact, MOA, the number 1 goon (and pet) killer for 7 years is expecting a resurgence thanks to this patch.

Wormhole folks will be pleased by any possible increase in ratting capitals.

Currently null "home defense" means docking up when a neutral enters local, what you describe wouldn't change much.

One thing that would be good to see coming out at a similar time is a proper "Heavy Lift Ship" /"Heavy transport ship" for each race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL4CB4SZieo

Think, bit bigger than a Freighter, can carry multiple (up to 3-4?) rigged Battleships at a time.

Edit: just so it's clear - no jumpdrive, gate-to-gate only.

Because supers and carriers can traverse high-sec.... right?

Aside from which - price; there's a definite gap in the market for something that is circa freighter prices, which can move multiple rigged Battleships gate-to-gate.

I see, you want to make the force projection work from jita right into null eh.... thanks for confirming everyone's suspicions.

I'm sure CCP wants more of that.

I kinda like the idea of nerfing the **** out of capitals but as per usual CCP's execution is poor.

The only one to benefit from this patch are the big alliances that can muster enough people to escort high value logistic.

Black Ops getting the **** nerfed out of them aswell making a specific niche useless.

Status quo is going to be achieved as nobody will be able to kill large groups anymore.


Great game CCP. I think your just achieved Idiocy lvl5.

The changes would be good if you rolled back to Red Moon Rising, too bad your brains are too limited to see every patch since is making this game worse and worse.