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I have a somewhat different suggestion as to how force projection and jump fatigue might be approached. hear me out:

instead of nerfing all combat capitals to 5LY at max skills, leave their ranges untouched. Let the Jump fatigue mechanic be a modifier that directly reduces the effective value of the pilot's JDC skill level, with the possibility of the effective value going negative, whereby a given ship will suffer a shorter jump range than if the pilot had no JDC skill points. this reduction would begin after the SECOND jump... the amount of reduction in JDC = number of jumps/2. of course, there would be a recovery time to get the effective JDC back up to normal, which would be equal to the distance jumped in minutes, is cumulative and includes the distance of the FIRST jump. regen time would be modified by ship class, with blops and JFs having the fastest recovery times, and titans the slowest.

example... nidhoggur pilot with JDC 5 makes a round trip of 20 LY in 2 jump... out and back. the first jump incurs a regen time of 10 minutes (in this example, lets assume a ship class modifier of 1 for simplicity), but JDC is unaffected on the first leg. he stops at the outbound destination to pickup some ships for transport, taking 2 minutes (reducing regen to 8 minutes), and immediately jumps back to the start system... regen time goes to 18 minutes, and his effective JDC skill drops to 4. if he makes enough jumps in a short period of time, he could end up in a situation where his JDC skill drops below zero, and his effective range becomes a small fraction of what it would normally be for a substantial (but not insane) amount of time. bridging ships would be affected similarly for every ship they bridge, the distance, and the class of each, but as most such bridges are of much smaller ships, the cumulative penalties would be manageable with appropriate modifiers for the ship classes.

here's the kicker though: I would actually prefer it if the JDC penalty were applied to the HULL and not the pilot himself, so as to discourage the use of ferry alts (treat it as a kind of overheating damage that subsides over time, but doesnt prevent trading a ship in station). also, jump fatigue could be used to negatively affect other aspects of ship performance in much the same way as drug side-effects. I would even consider the potential for a misjump to an unintended destination system anywhere within the ships maximum JDC range as a possible risk of a negative JDC value (the lulz that could be had... drunk nidhoggur pilot lands somewhere he NEVER intended).

I think this approach would be a much better choice for making eve a bit bigger, while not making capitals completely useless in long-range force projection - you can still travel substantial distances rapidly, but go out too far, too fast and you'll be REALLY feeling it on the trip back - or sooner.

I don't remember reading where they said this was the case but if that really is the case then I agree Jump fatigue should decrease when a player is NOT logged in, even if only at 1/2 the rate it would if you were logged in. That way if you have a 6 hour jump fatigue timer and the servers crash or get attacked when your finally able to log back in you can actually play the game you couldnt in the previous few days. Same goes for just general day to day play there is no reason for it not to decrease.

Rip eve , every one welcome to 2007. no more quick response fleets no more cap fights every one is gonna sit in its little space corner and take gates all around cos ccp solution to solve bad Hardware is to nerf a game to 2007, as a player am really sad i need to pay money for this game sad its nothing else even similar on a market . Sad to see such a terrible solution you apply to a game i hope you gonna put last nail in a coffin witch nearly happened whit incarnia.

Since Corps & Alliances will be compelled have to produce what they need locally (everything from T1, to T2 & everything else that can be player produced) as a side effect of these changes,would CCP please given consideration to the following;
1. Allowing multiple stations per system.
2. Increasing the number of office slots in manufacturing and research stations in low sec & 0.0.
3. Seriously look at rebalancing the available minerals types and isotopes types in all the regions to support this changed focus towards industrial building & market creation in 0.0. Because current resource compositions do not support this and are only negated by importing these things from empire, due to the regions they are actually available from. Or is this intentionally part of the design?
Lastly, not long ago it was said, I think by CCP Greyscale, that you wanted to remove T2 BPO's, yet given these changes & the need for them, to build required items/ships, is that still something CCP intends to go forward with in the future?

Thanks in advance for a reply.

So, big ships made big alliances viable? Jumping 200-300 carriers made big alliances viable? Man, what the hell was I smoking until now? I thought large number of players made big alliances viable.

I don't know if I am the one with somewhat twisted perception. You seem to think that CFC and N3/PL is all of a sudden going to consolidate their entire space and renter empire into handful of systems in a single region or two and leave rest of the space open for grabs. I mean, read what you wrote again and think if that is what will actually happen.

My point is that this change will severely hinder, or potentially completely eliminate, some of how those big alliances interact in theater. With current sov mechanics, good luck taking any space away from any alliance holding it at this point. Sorry to pee in your cheerios, but the capital ships are not what makes any of the current null entities viable. Some focus on their capita/supercapital power, but they would exist without those just as well.

During Fountain war we didn't use our caps because there was always a chance of enemy escalating and dropping us with full supercapital force. Battle of 6VDT involved more subcaps than caps. Entire Delve region was ground in stealth bombers. Besides HED-GP and B-R in last years war, capitals were rarely, if ever used.

I'll give you that titans play a major role in getting fleets where they need to be and this mechanic affects that A LOT, but majority of wars are not fought with capitals and capitals alone. Some use it more than others and focus on them. They make structure grinds bearable. But they are not be all end all of large nullsec entities.

Additionally, when allies come to help, they don't all jump into carriers to travel to region where help is needed. Jump Clones are used for that with doctrine ship ready to go, and if JC is not available, interceptor can get you there in time for timer and fleet.

All I see coming from this change is more ship spinning/boredom/bitter vetness and more expensive logistics. I see very little change to the null unless null decides to make a change itself. Some consolidation and rearrangement of space may take place to make logistics more viable, but you go ahead and hope that by some CCP Miracle everyone will get a free shot at owning space in null now.