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Wait till next week when CCP Greyscale releases the revised version of this dev blog.

heh... imagine tif they made it more strict?

Oh really, I will admit to not living in null for a while now. But lets see, open in game map, sovereignty, industry indices...........

Holy crap, overall most of Sov nullsec has a BIG FAT 0. The most concentrated area of Industry Indices is.......open influence page....wow in the northeast....Brothers of Tangra. They have quite a few.....but not all of them are lv5. A lot of them are....but even they still have lots and lots of BIG FAT 0's.

Not enough resources locally? Are you flying around with PvP or Ratting Blinders on....or just swallowing mainstream political garbage news? Maybe if you actually used ALL the systems to some extent.....things would be different. Please don't come at me so wholly unprepared with such a weak argument.

Your shouting doesn't change the fact that resources are regional and null is low on certain minerals. You obviously have no idea how 0.0 works or how we mine down here.

We DO mine down here. A level 5 is a gargantuan amount of minerals being harvested.

If it's anything to fix what they wreck, then it isn't in any of the next 'phases' Greyscale mentions. The overall goal is to make it so that Alliances can't project huge fleets across the map, then they will make it so that smaller entities will be able to hold onto sov easier, making it harder for the defenders to defend etc etc. I believe that was their big picture (still not how its gonna be but meh)

Null is not low on certain minerals, you just don't exploit the static belts correctly, when they actually have more than high sec between them, who supposedly source all your minerals just fine.

What simple concept, I read your posts, but for the most part they are vapid and devoid of content. I'm not saying the idea of jump fatigue is necessarily bad, I do question a mechanic that basically forces some players to stop playing the way they'd like, but maybe it is the only solution.

My other claim is that this is not, in and of itself, going to cause the big blocks to break up or it isn't very clear that it will. People like you claim it will, but all you have is claims which mean ****.

As for the nerf to logistics my problem is that on one hand you want the big blocks to shrink at least in terms of the space they hold and to create room for new groups in null....a laudable goal. I'm all for that too. But like the doorknob you are you ignore some very fundamental problems with null sec as it currently stands and which these proposals will simply not address.

1. Most systems in null space suck for making isk/supporting player activity. THIS, more than anything else, is why these systems are empty.

2. Even with the changes to industry, null sec industry/production is still not capable of supporting null sec. These changes MIGHT change that, but hoping for the best from a questionable policy change is often a recipe for disaster.

3. The nerf to logistics works both ways, getting stuff from null to high sec is also going to become more costly. Basic fundamental result of economics: make something more costly you get less of it.

Now I'm not saying these things will kill Eve...well okay the first one is a problem for those who want Null to be a vital and interesting place, IMO, but we've had it for so long it probably wont be fatal...at least not for awhile.

The notion of bringing sweeping change to Eve and Null in particular is going to require more than these proposals. We should all want changes where there are more people in Null...more people logged in in Null...more people in Null logged in and undocking...so that they become targets, and those people who are targeting them in turn also become targets themselves. To some extent, IMO, we'll need Null to become more independent of High sec.

The bottom line is that even with these changes no block will have much incentive to shrink in terms of space they hold. If they can't always deploy capitals, then they'll adapt and use sub-caps. And until these blocks actually have an incentive to shrink you wont see new faces in null, at least for the foreseeable future.

And making current activities harder/impossible is a potentially double edged sword. Sure you could say, no more importing low ends from empire....now they'll have to mine in null....or not and start playing another game. There is always that option. Trying to push people to do something they really don't want to do and they might just go find something completely new to do.

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Edit: Removed several instances of the words: Dev, Blog, Long-Distance, Travel, Changes, and Inbound because they were skewing the results. Also it is now 1920x1080.

In the Features and Ideas Discussion some people had brought up the suggestion that jump capable ships could jump without need of a cyno. At the time, I thought it unwise, but now, with the proposed changes, the idea appeals to me.

Essentially that would lead to Cynos being used for targeted jumps, while non-cyno jumps land near the sun.

I hope they go for passive forms of isk next. The ability t afford anything in the game many times over isn't good. Passive isk is just bad. That's why the esteemed panel's suggestion of bringing missions to null is laughable. They just want another free isk stream for holding a space. It's just a remix of anoms. Anoms were supposed to save null, invigorate it and get folks out in space. It's still a wasteland out there. There are thousands of anoms that never get run. Null doesn't need more red + signs, it needs folks out there shooting them (pro hint: w/ all the passive isk coming in there isn't really a need to log in except for timers of interest)

The active null players run the scannable sites. Scanning is now easy enough so that my dog can do it,, and the scannable sites give you that extra level of safety. Anoms are just too dangerous for the null bear to enter.

Moon goo in it's present form is just bad for the game. It's free isk and it's static. It's the original furnace that fueled the building of todays mess. Moving it around makes it the conflict driver it was meant to be.

If you're thinking that between jump fatigue and taking away passive isk it will be impossible to maintain my vast empire... then I think you're finally seeing the train that's coming down the tunnel right at you.