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Are you guys high?

No seriously, have any of the people who came up with these changes ever played Eve before?

You've just killed off nullsec logistics singlehandedly. You've just made the minimum requirement to be in null the ability to fly an interceptor. You've just killed black ops fleets. You've made it impossible to enter half the regions in the game without using a gate. You've just made it impossible to live in most of the NPC null regions. You've not restricted capital fights, you've eliminated them from the game entirely.

Are we being trolled? Are you trying to kill off your own game?

Wow. 5 LY jump range for JF. And I was thinking that the current range was limiting, but this is...

*zooms off to find other systems as the current systems for logistics won't work anymore* Great. Now I have to do even more work to enable our people the little PVP and action they get. I am clearly looking forward to that.

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Yeah, I think that's quite poor. The layout of the galaxy is just not geared towards such short range jumps, so you're almost always going to be getting hit with the max penalty.

Nobody in their right mind would move a capital through a gate when you can get tackled by a frigate when it takes until christmas to get a lock on them to launch drones and defend yourselves.

I think a timer based solution is quite poor.

So I'm trying to work out the math here. Even at 90% reduction. A Jump freighter would be looking at a 15 minute cooldown after its third jump wouldn't it?

First, I think I'm reading an inconsistency in the blog post.


Which suggests that the cooldown should be zero. And later...


So which is it? If I'm reading the earlier section correctly, that 5.85 should be the FATIGUE length.



Also, this change seems to present a significant nerf to BLOPS dropping, a fun, not super power-projecty activity. It looks like by the time you've dropped on your second target and returned, you're looking at calling it a night due to a rather large timer (greater than an hour if two max range drops). If blops bridge capable ships could get a fatigue exception for returning to the system they just jumped from, that would handily keep this activity viable without turning it into a means to teleport a force across the universe.

This will go over as well as Incarna.

I like most of these changes (RIP my suitcase) but I really dislike the removal of the pod express (or suicide cloning as it was called). Most of these changes were intended to remove the mobility of ships - it's not like you could significantly work around these changes just by being able to quickly jump to one other system. It's a common way of moving newbies into nullsec, and I always thought it fit really nicely into EVE lore - the fact that the universe was so twisted and capsuleer priorities so abnormal that a common means of transport was just shooting yourself in the head (insert DUST announcement about suicide in public places here, etc)

So yeah, really cool ideas, but please keep the pod express :(

This is going to make cap proliferation even worse. Smaller entities will have less to fear from major players, which is a positive, but it also means that carriers and dreads are going to see deployment much more frequently and, when operating local to the homes of the owners, with less effort required from cyno pilots. This means that groups without caps are going to be even more disadvantaged than ever before.

Reducing the size of the map is a good idea, but this is the wrong way to go about it. This strongly favors nullsec entities that have extensive jump bridge networks. Fatigue will help but traveling to new deployments or preparing for fights ahead of time will be much easier for groups that have the transit networks in place compared to groups that will need to move cynos extensively.

I'm also concerned about how jump fatigue will work in fleets. If a group of 50 capital ships needs to move two jumps, but some pilots already have jump fatigue, how does that impact the rest of the fleet? Will everyone else be slowed to their speed?

Finally, you seem to be planning to release these changes in stages. I think I am not the only person who would prefer to see them all released at once. If you really feel that these changes will be for the best, then they need to be released in a way that makes them all coherent and immediately shows the community how they fit together. Making these changes piecemeal is just going to have a negative short and medium-term impact and will not be good for the game.

Then they can put on big boy pants and fly out there like everyone else did, have organized fleet ops and escorts to move cargo out there like everyone else did.


0.0 can afford to get off their butts and do hauler escorts to move people out there. If you are in an alliance then you should work at one.


My first 0.0 experience was moving my corp out of branch and escorting 2 full iteron V's from K8- to NGM in the drone regions. 53 jumps of 0.0 goodness. And how did i get out to k8? I loaded up an atron with the clothes on my back and flew out there like a bat out of hell.