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Oh I get that it's viable tactic, assuming you only have one major threat to deal with. Given that sov structure HPs are getting adjusted at the same time as these jump changes - meaning subcaps become viable threats in large enough numbers - I would anticipate seeing an alliance or coalition facing multiple threats. You can definitely deal with one, but that leaves others to run around, and even if they're not hitting your alliance's space they could be causing hell in your coalition mate's space or your rental empire. With the jump fatigue mechanic, they'll have a reasonable expectation of not getting hot dropped if you maintain the hellcamp, and folks can do some significant damage in a week unopposed if they put their mind to it.

But hey. It's not like smart folks aren't analyzing these changes and seeing what parts of their empire they need to shore up, what parts they can sacrifice, and what new areas they need to grab to ensure their sustainability.

I'm sure that things are going to get shaken up plenty in the next 6 months or so. If not, I owe you a PLEX.

It's one thing to make a mistake, like warping back to a tractor unit to loot a carrier wreck and then losing your super because of it. That's an example of making a dumb mistake.

Having gameplay mechanics designed into the game to prevent you from actually playing the game on the other hand just does not make sense.

I have suspended 1 of my account.. my capital account. I dont care about the carrier, dreadnought, super, titan and the attempt to nerf the power projection. Its actually a good idea. But for the JF... that just stupid, I need 6 jump from null to lowsec from before that only 2. And the stupid thing is one of the mid point does not have station... and there is other mid point that owns by "red". The best solution is to create a bigger "blue" doughnut.

I keep looking at the map.... where are you hiding them? Do you even understand what a stupid lie is??

if we're gonna insist on letting capitals travel through gates, can CCP obviate the need for capitals to use the stargates themselves? let them "jump" or "interstellar warp" or some iteration of that.. to an adjacent system and end up at a random celestial?

Give them a 30 second timer between interstellar warps. Make it to where they just right click on a gate to the system they wish to go to .. then it'll have another option for capitals. You can conceptualize that they're still using the stargates, but their jump drive allows them to bullshit bullshit bullshit through the stargate rift without the need to enter the gate queue.

It'll let them move fast enough to still be not completely unbearable, but they're still facing 60-90 "jumps" to get around. If you put up a criteria that all capitals spawn at a celestial within a few AU of a Sun, you create the opportunity for PVP and content. Plus, it creates content for defending sov outside of the normal gate camps. Multiple dynamics for defending regions when you can't just put bubbles on gates. You have different pockets available for defensive posturing and even more opportunity for offensive traps set up in 'red' territory.

You still have traditional jump mechanics available to sidestep dangerous areas, but ofc there are new costs to them. it forces a trade-ff among capital pilots. Trade-offs are good. Arbitrarily confining their already existent gameplay? not so much.

This won't fix the issues already in place with this patch, but it sure as hell avoids the issues of masses of capitals warping to a gate trying to use standard jump gate mechanics. It'll stop 50 titans warping to them bumping off gates like idiots and taking 30 min to get back down to it after their bump, etc.

The idea of fleet warping capital gangs gate to gate is just so freaking ludicrous

I'm not saying that the change will hurt anything. I am saying that they are not going to change peoples behaviors the way they think because they are making bad assumptions.

Really I'm going to risk a 6 Billion isk Jumpfreighter to go through gates !!! I'm certainly not that stupid. I'm also not going to lose my tactical advantage buy going through gates.

Allowing the Caps to go through the gates is fine. The jump timers is just unnecessary and only adds a technical delay that must be factored for. We absolutely wont use the gates because of the jumptimers. The jumptimes are a waste of effort.

Grayscale: If you want to fix something fix Corp access of hangers!!! That's a real problem.

The megas are screaming bloody murder, in case you haven't noticed.

Also, there's only so many chokepoints you can control. So long as you can get past the entrance system - from any angle - you have free reign.

For example, staging out of the NPC station in J-CJIV in Pure Blind lets you hit 11 systems in Deklein. Staging out of DO6 (no station, but a viable midpoint) gives you reach for another 5. And that's not counting taking one of the 5 regional gates into Dekelein - which you can fit caps through, by the way - which again gives you free reign of the region. Oh, and that's only considering capitals, not the use of nullified T3s and the like, or the use of cloaky nullified T3s via BLOPS with BR support, or the use of wormholes.

In fact, wormholes become the near perfect way to get folks in for an assault, since there's no way for the defender to prevent them from giving access to their space nor any way to predict when / where they'll pop up.

I think folks are seriously fooling themselves if they think they can simply hellcamp a few systems and be good.

Yeah, people did it for a couple of years when the game was brand new and only had a percentage of the population (and dps). With today's metagaming and m3 needs, it isn't sustainable at all. No one wants to do 30 escort ops a week just for a medium sized alliance (or more because of all the back and forth required). Not to mention that it wouldn't take much to suicide gank a freighter before the escort could even land reps (it's not like this happens in high sec all the freakin' time).

Because no cap pilot believes these changes will go through as they stand. They're absurd an alienating to a huge community of dedicated long time players.

It’s funny how GSF and the likes scoffed at the complaints about Wormhole changes only a few weeks ago. Then when the changes affect them, suddenly there it is a **** storm. I would not mind, so much, the 234 pages of self-centered attitudes if it wasn’t for them going out of their way to belittle and down play other people’s issues. –No Offence

But I will say that CCP has let the current status quo go on too long.

Sadly I think they are going to have to let it burn down in order for some new blood to take root in Null.

And the constant threat of hot drops puts the lid on a lot of other activities.

Maybe we will get a shift back to the roaming HAC and T3 gangs?

I think the REAL changes are going to come when they modify Sovereignty. Then the Freak show will start.