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on one hand yes but on the other it means the red zone where smaller content is interrupted or avoided due to the instant strike capabilities of capitals and bridges is smaller. So, assuming that the tales of people re-subbing and all the mini-blobs waiting in nullsec/NPC space were true. You should see more action close to home.

And if it's another B-R, You have all day to get there. Put some nanos on that dread.

Saying it again.

These changes are great, but they absolutely necessitate a new capital ship (no jump drive) for the bulk transportation of assembled sub-capital ships. Its perfectly reasonable to kill projection but it will really hurt anyone who PvPs and lives in 0.0 if they cant re-supply their sub-caps following their destruction.

If the new ship has no jump drive this opens all kinds of opportunities for roaming gangs etc to kill it too, which is sexy.

I disagree that nobody will want capitals after the changes. Capitals will essentially become the corner stone of home defense - they will move rarely from their homesystems because it will simply be too painful to move them around. Consequently, the "home guard" will have a tremendous advantage. Stagnation after these changes will be worse then ever before. The People most effected by this will be newer players trying to break into nullsec. Its hard for new players to get into nullsec now, let alone take over space for their own; after these changes what chance will a player not already entrenced in nullsec have to kick capital homefleets out of their own space?

Okay, so one comment from CCP Greyscale has been that Jump Fatigue will be capped at a month (lets say 30 days for simplicity).

Why? Why such a large cap? Even 30 days seems excessive.

Lets review the issue here: Power projection--i.e. the ability of a group of players to move very, very quickly across the entire galaxy of New Eden. This ability is one of the reasons why Null Sec is stagnating. Or so the popular theory goes. But lets accept this as true for the purposes of discussion.

The story is that Group A wont want to deploy their capitals even in their own space for fear that Group B will jump even a vast distance and drop on them. Somehow this results in more NAPs and agreements and big coalitions in null and for a more boring game.

So....if the above is the reaosn, what in the Hell is the necessity for setting the jump fatigue timer cap at 30 days?

Seriously, who thought that is reasonable? Are people so blazingly fearful of a hot drop that you have to threaten those who would be hot dropping with being unable to use their jump drives for 30 days!?!?!?! Really? Even for a jump freigher?

I was trying to do the math on this (Appendix A appears to have some errors in it) and if I got it right suppose you are a JF pilot doing logistics for your alliance. You have to jump 4 times each jump is exactly 4 LY (keeping the math simple). You need to make 2 trips (this means a grand total of 12 jumps, 4 in from empire, 4 back out, 4 back in). Now, using the math described in the Dev Blog, if you jump as soon as you are allowed too jump at the end you'll have a Jump Fatigue of over 7.6 million. Isn't exponential growth fun! Now, given that this time will go down by 0.1 per minute you'll need over 76 million minutes for that to go to zero. There are 8,760 hours in a year. Even if there were 100 minutes in an hour (it makes the math easier), that would be 87,600 minutes. So even after of waiting for a year, this one instance of moving stuff around would take several years to decay away.

So along comes the 30 day cap. But why? Why must that pilot be forced to wait 30 days? What purpose does that kind of wait serve. People using freighters and convoys. Don't be stupid. Here is what people will do. A "big" coalition will make doing logisitics work as important as showing up to a fleet fight. So now people who can't log in for a fight can pitch in by helping with logistics. Get 3 players each with 2 JF alts and an alliance/corp JF and problem solved. The characters in question will have minor jump fatigue levels and the logistics will get done pretty much as fast as before.

And lets reveiw...who will be "hurt" by this? A coalition like the CFC or Goons? Doubt it. Goons have shown time and again that they are very good at solving these problems. Even NC. and PL will likely adapt by expanding and emphasizing the importance of the logistics of living in Null. Older and more established entities will likely adapt quite nicely.

Smaller, newer alliances with a higher share of newer players with less resources on the other hand will suffer. They wont be able to get 3-4 people logging in with 2-3 JF alts. They might not be able to put so much of their limited resources into a singel investment (a JF). Their logistics will hampered far more than established groups.

The cap on jump fatigue needs to reduced dramatically. In fact, the formula could be re-worked so that it wont go as high as fast. If the idea is to limit force projection so that a hostile entity cannot drop in on another group from the other side of the galaxy, you do not need a cap of 30 days. That is just idiotic. The mere suggestion of it is idiotic. Don't be that idiot.

Greyscale did say that pos mods are going to be balanced... So dont expect your single rev being able to tank a death star for long.

You have made the first real dramatic change in Eve in a long time and it needs to continue down that path. Please do NOT add any additional NPC space to null, it would be taking two steps BACKWARD from this force projection change. Once you have established that there will be no new NPC space, please push thru destroyable stations with reduced HP ... this will finalize a REAL nullsec ... real risk vs reward.

Will this hurt new players attempting to enter nullsec, not if they don't jump feet first into null and as long as they don't try and build Rome in one day; like everything else in Eve, patience will get them there and with so much of null empty, thrive.

But now that the cat is out of the bag and the list of CSM who voted with the blocs instead of the betterment of the game, nothing is going to change. <----THIS .... is the reality of the entire situation ... this feels more like a grab for free gaming news press than an announcement for REAL change in a game that is dying because of the very people you are trying to nerf.

ooooh. Good point. Didn't even think about that.

Aha. Who will reimburse the cyno alts?

I like what I saw so far - this one sounds waaaaay to stretched and band-aid'y to me. Think about something more reasonable please. I'm talking about entire pod jumping revamp, not this one particular thing.


Just to make sure- this in no way limit use of clone jumping? right?

It's not necessary as in "it must be in or the game will DIE", but it's still a very nice feature to have to bring new characters out of one environment into another without necessarily putting them instantly through a meatgrinder.

I know it's not THAT hard to get to null, and you could argue that if you can't take a frigate/noobship/interceptor loss without ragequitting you shouldn't be in null, but we do want people to create empires which consist of more than just fighters, we do also want hardcore miners, manufacturers etc to get there, and some of them do not have the mental fortitude to take even such a small loss.

I'd just call it a quality of life change which could help CCP get more profits.