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You're ENCOURAGING people to not want to deploy by making things into a logistical headache for any force, be it large or small. Small guerrilla warfare is sadly NOT the lifeblood of Null, and this isn't going to help the issue.

In addition, the addition to this to Jump Bridges is just silly. You're basically making it so anything with multiple, large regions will have to wait to defend their space in a hurry?

Wait a second! You make an announcement of this importance , which affects all of 0.0, reduces all the hard work and planning to get to jump ships and you have yet to test this new, and shiny, development? Seriously? Who the heck is your marketing team? Are they aware of your plan to anger paying customers in this fashion?


P.S. RL example of poor marketing: Hey, lets change the formula of Coke and name it New Coke! Great idea! Guess what? New Coke bombed...do a frakkin focus group before ya drop bombs like this crap

Question is what are the jump ranges for Rorquals and Jump Freighters going to be?

Blog says "Almost all jump-capable ships will have their range reduced to 5 LY after skills" and "Jump Freighters and Rorquals will gain a role bonus: 90% reduction to effective range jumped for the purposes of all these calculations, but will otherwise get all the described changes. This means that, for all the math we’re doing on this feature, whenever we use the range jumped as a variable we first multiply it by 0.1"

Thing is when I first use the range jumped as a variable I check to see if I can make the jump. If the jump is 10 LY then effective jump range is 0.1 x 10LY = 1LY so that means if the JF has a jump range of 1LY it can make the 10LY jump right? It does say "all the math" which includes checking to see if the jump is in range?

Since "Tuning the decay is definitely something we're open to." would you be opposed to the idea of changing JDC to adjust the rate of fatigue decay and simply setting all jump drives to the intended 5LY range? Spending 30 - 40 days of character training to be able to jump an extra half-LY is a pretty crappy deal.

I assume nothing here stops a safe log-off?

Do I understand correctly, that the way these changes are set up a JDC5 character in a black ops ship will be able to jump farther than the same character in a capital ship? WTF?

Lots of questions but I don't think any answers will be forthcoming from this thread. It's turned into a whine, cheer and jeer thread.

It's a shame.

Things like:

- does fatigue persist after being podded?

If not (probably) then the pod-suicide changes make sense. Jump around until your timer fluffs up, suicide to another clone, hop in the capital and keep jumping. That "bypass" would be a problem for fixing "projection".

If so (hopefully not) then those changes make no sense and fatigue will cause a huge problem for cap specialized pilots - they got podded with lots of fatigue on them - time to log out and find something else to do until it fades? Not good.

- if SOMETHING isn't done, cyno jammed systems will completely stop wars being as capitals would all have to come in through a gate to get to the deeper parts of that empire's space.

Any idea how easy it is to setup a "no one will every survive this camp!" type gate block point? TiDi is cool but having how many dozens or hundreds or even thousands of ships pop a gate at the same time to try and fight such a camp...

That's asking to crash the server - just so they can simply *TRY* and run a war? ... Not good.

- Freighters are missing from that listing of lowered fatigue. That's not good and needs addressing. You have to use these to setup certain structures only possible in nullsec (outposts).

- blops changes = "odd" but may change how they are used. What other changes would prevent them from "dust bin" ships?

They don't seem very viable for how they *ARE* used in the future. As such something else would need to be added for them to avoid being junk to clutter up a hangar.

So on and so forth.

It just doesn't seem this thread will be viable for asking such questions and the like.

I'm going with bigger bubbles for regional gates.

That's a question I'd suggest you ask your leaders, not us.

Can you clarify this please? Does that mean that if i take a jumpbridge with any ship, i will be unable to jump through gates, or this "jump of any kind" is only about jumpdrives/bridges?

Oh well, another thing just came up.

Apparently you can now roam with carrier, like nidhoggur, which makes around 500m/s on mwd, and with proper fit and implants can warp at 3.89 au/sec (which is higher than warp speed of CRUISERS, not even mentioning lovely handicapped battleships). How the hell you are supposed to counter that in SMALL scale engagements?

Exponential growth of fatigue seems to overdo it.

Better use "logistic growth":

At each jump:

If Fatigue < jumpdistance:
Fatigue = jumpdistance + 1
else :
Fatigue += R*Fatigue*(1-Fatigue/K)


The parameter R controls how fast a character exhausts (could be lowered through skills / implants ...?)
(baseline might be R=2)

The parameter K is the "maximum" Fatigue a character can get. (something like 30-45 seems realistic)
Fatigue decays with time as suggested in Dev blog.

Might give designers better knobs to tune than the exponential growth model.

Cheers, Chira.

Yes, and yes. Both deliberately.

Sorry, lost a few from earlier when the forum ate a post



Nicer tuning options, yes, but we want to keep the math as simple as possible, so people can more easily wrap their heads around it.