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I don't know what is bigger, My epeen or the size of this thread naught. It does not matter what we say CCP will do as they wish. The old saying goe's CCP stands for Can't, Code, Properly this still stands to this day almost 15 years later. We must adapt or unsubscribe what path will you choose?

Alt chains not needed, nor Cap chains, just lots of Inty's & parked caps.

To be honest this will have little to no change on caps & supers, as the changes to interceptors being bubble immune; Super Cap pilots will Inty to each base with a Super Cap at, causing more supers to be spread around Eden.
The biggest effect by far will be on JF's moving large quantities of products around Eden.

Last year I was tempted to train for a JF for exactly this purpose, but now that temptation is passed


Would be nice to see Supers & caps in LS/HS so we can have a look at them

How is this all is "improvement"?! Killing logistics, killing multiple escalations running, killing very ability to travel for big ships (not only caps but BS as well), increasing minimums you need to live in 0.0.

1. ATM i need 4 cynos to get to low sec. I'm gonna need 8 or more. Not sure how big timer i'd get after 8'th or 9'th but i'm pretty sure that neither i nor my corp mates waiting to lite up cyno will enjoy it.... I'm not the one who plays eve to look at some colored circles in the corner of my screen.
2. I run 2-8 escalations a day. About half of them ends up in other region, couple dozens jumps away from where i bought them and they require carrier or 3 BS to kill last structure. Same as with logistics, this changes just gonna waste my and my mates time.
3. It is obvious that with capitals going through gates there will be bubbles on nearly every gate. How idiotic that would be: cap ship jumps through gate and observes at least 20km of this stuff and it doesn't even have big enough prop module. Battleships have MJD, MWD or AB, but anyway their already ridiculous travel time will increase.
3b. Jump Bridges. Once again you give us crappy choice between waiting or going through gate, bubbles and so on...
4. More cyno chars, interceptors and more people in a system.

CCP, you did something like that before. You've "improved" jump bridges and changed anomaly's spawn mechanic. Today bigger part of 0.0 is almost useless and rarely populated with bot\multibox miners. You've also changed warp speeds and now flying a freighter is for those who have no other choice of some fans of warp well. Now what? To hold sov and protect them selves people will have to live even in a greater density on some small areas leaving even more space empty and having less stuff to do because of limited system resources and limited ability to travel.

Some would say that this all is a good thing but... There are people who play eve to look at a single veldspar asteroid on two screens, there are fans of big slow vessels, there is somewhere someone who enjoys gate visual effect especially with it's lag in the middle... Question is: how many of them? And how many of those who want some action?

Because almost every single time CCP made a messup people predicted the result and they were right. Go back to dominion changes thread and read it. I remember besides myself at least 20 other people predicting EXACLTY what we have today. THe happy group on other hand thought it would make the empires smaller create more smaller fights, make subcapitals more important... seems familiar?

Errrhm, great tears from the prototypical renter. Maybe you'll learn what it means to conquer your space, to fight for your "easy" JB network and cozy cyno entries to your space. Man I love these changes, this post alone is worth the outlook for the next months.

(tl;dr +1 for the changes. + lots for the null bear tears.)



Eve is a game based on the investment of time and creativity. Now that Jump travel is slower it requires greater investment and greater risk. Caps started as a rapid deployment military force to preserve the sovereignty of an alliance. It still completes that function albeit with a much shorter range. This should cut down the sprawl of larger alliances who are too thinly spread and help smaller (and renter) alliances whose membership tend to be clustered into specific constellations.


Another benefit of these changes will be the resurgence of organised gate camps on a scale not seen for a long while. The unwary and afk pilots beware. These are the subtle rule changes which maintain evolution in the Eve universe "adapt or die" as it were.
The instant you train up a skill you run the risk of later obsolescence, Eve is replete with evidence for this. Every pilot in the game should already know this but sometimes it needs repeating,

"If you don't like a rule in eve, wait for 5 patches and it'll have changed."

all these people crying about logistics.
Do the math!

going from cobalt edge to empire will take about 9 mins in a jump freighter or rorqual after the patch. just takes a few more cyno's and a 1 min wait at each jump

theres also wh;s to get your snuff into your little home.

stop complaining and figure out how to abuse it and use it to your advantage. theres plenty of advantages to it

Good Job Grayscale

this idea will totally kill this game , you are on the best way to achieve this , keep going.

EXACLTY as they do today. They put a crapton of subcapitals and move their capitals to get close to the more likely group to escalate to usage of capitals. As soon as they can they provoke a jutland battle with FULL force crush COMPLETELY and utterly the enemy because it will be ALONE with its fleet agaisnt he full massed fleet of the defender empire, while his allies cannto come to help. On next day they do the same against the other group.

You may be sure these groups will have 300 archosn stationed on every troublesome corner of their empire, and they will SHUTTLE travel or interceptor travel in 20 min there, get into their archons and obliterate the attacking fleet that cannot be reinforced because of these changes.


Peopel wake UP. This will make even more STUPID to spread your forces. Force concentration is not counterable in this game, so the empires will still focus ALL Their force and the other groups trying to attack from different flanks will have a FAR HARDER time fighting back.

The only thing you will see less is Supercarriers and Titans on not critical fights. But the archon blobs will remain EXACT as before.

Even I think that is a little too extreme.

There are ways to address this, but it is not a problem "Yet". I'm sure it will be when this happens, but let it and see if it needs a fix.