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Didn't checked and probably unable anyway if its already mentioned or not but i must write it down as a notice.

So CCP try to force ppl if they live in nullsec more if they live some place witch is far away from empire or any npc stations, they be forced by ccp to make local economy.

Here is my comments:

For building any T2 stuffs, because of the distribution of moon materials you unable to produce T2 properly. Every region has something missing, so you need to "import" it from other regions. Even if you try it, you will need to run a lot of reaction towers to have every type of materials you need for building T2. That means you will running a lot 10-30 towers.

Problem 1: Reactions only can run effectively ony caldari towers mostly except a few witch required the gallente towers.

So probably ppl didn't do T2 build on their own in deep 0.0 not because they wouldn't seed market with that locally, but because the logistics horror with that idea (moving moon minerals and tower fuels), already a nightmare. So now with this upcomming changes this is reduce the wole possibility to zero.

Solution idea (if ccp really want to do this and keep their local economy idea too):
- moon distribution should be change to make this whole (deep 0.0 industry) idea possible.
- either change icebelts to spawn every type of ice or change the tower stats to be able to build up the reaction chain not just on caldari and gallente towers.

Problem 2.: T2 manufacturing is working only big numbers if you want to cover everything. So its not like Little Joe buy 10k m3 stuff in jita and move itto build his interceptors in 0.0 think. If you have a whole infrastructure and building lot ships using lot of materials.

So at all, CCP need to watch all parameters when doing changes like this. You force ppl to not do far logistics or do it as a nightmare and with this you want local economy when there is no necessary conditions to do it.

I really has the impression that someone doing this change who don't have sight on the whole complexity of eve.

Low Sec approves (I think)

I run regularly from NPC Null to Jita not just for myself but for friends/corp/alliance.

I have a total of three cyno characters, two for NPC Null to High Sec at which point I move to Jita via gates and one character to return to NPC Null. I'm fortunate with the latter that I need only one jump to get back but it does mean I need a total of 3 characters for these duties.

I don't have a large logistics network to support me, I have what cyno toons I have nor can I call upon jump bridges or networks of any kind. Even Black Frog is looking less like an option as they would have the same problems with needing cyno toons to cover any routes.

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I've read the devblog and I am in positive about them but this evening I've spent time reviewing my personal logistics and I would appreciate anyone correcting me if I'm wrong on these early calculations.

At the moment when I need to get stuff to high sec I have two jumps, one from base system to a mid-point and then mid-point to a system next to a high sec entry. Two jumps is all I need but with the changes (ignoring jump timers) my two jumps now turns into at least 11 jumps to leave NPC Null and 5 jumps to return.

Racial Isotopes and Liquid Ozone requirements aside this means I now need not 3 characters for jump duties but at least 11 (some of the in/out are shared) and even if I used Jump Clones (as they are) I would not be able to make the runs in anything less than 3 days.

At least thats how I'm seeing it.

I used DOTLAN to setup the jump plans using an Ark and JDC 0, JFC V and JF V (which reflects pilot skills). JDC 0 limits the ship to 5ly per jump which I believe is accurate with what the devblog shows. It appears to match what I've seen on some comments on Reddit and it makes sense to me, but have I made a mistake in the setup of my jump plan?

N.B. I could use roving cyno toons but I foresee a logistics issue with that in itself as I'd have to stock at least 11 systems with spare modules, ships and fuel. Sure it could be done but it seems that at least one run a month I'd need to use just to restock all my mid-points and that seems excessive to me.

Not to mention that I'm lucky if a cyno survives a cycle without being killed and podded by either locals or people who just want to kill things.

Supercapital blobs have been a problem for a long time.

They've enabled the power blocks to crush anything smaller than them with near impunity, and do so from anywhere in EVE Online. They can move the most powerful force EVE Online has ever seen from one side of the galaxy to the other, within the hour.

Nobody could use capital ships without asking the question "Is PL going to hotdrop us with 20 supercapitals?" Even on the other side of New Eden.

If you are quitting because you cannot use broken ships to totally dominate others at will? I say, good riddance to you. Both your ship and your character. You've been a cancer on the game for too long, and it's time for chemo.

I'll even use your own words against you, ones that I've seen you use when people have called out the ridiculous nature of your supercap blobs.

"lolol cry more!"
"Just learn to adapt"
"Your tears fuel my jump drive"


90% of the complaints and "I'm leaving!!" being from NC. and PL super pilots is simply proving that this is the correct way forward.
Let me reiterate the point. You will not be missed.


Perhaps with these changes, and the upcoming changes, nullsec will no longer be dominated by who has the larger supercap fleet, and they might actually need to put forth some effort to protect their space.


That said, these changes should NOT apply to JF or BLOPS. Neither of these warrant nerfing and are already a part of the most thankless job in the game. And there needs to be an adjustment and dialogue on just how much this nerf is. How much fatigue is gained, now long it takes to go down, the max LY's that can be jumped, how it effects each shiptype, ect.

There also needs to be a cap on how much fatigue and jump timer a character can acumulate. Having 22 days of fatigue after 5 rapid jumps is flat out stupid, and having it jump into the thousands of years is just mind boggling stupid.

Have it cap at 2-4 days at most.

Oh no CFC can't attack N3 because PL super fleet.

Ok go Nerf capitals !

What abouy a dance?

Message to null sec :

OBEY YOUR DEVS

Cover ops transport have normal range , insted of ships you houl parts then build it in npc station and you have that ? You are small alliance live behaind cfc blob and you want transport in JF staff ? Cover ops transport is more guarrella style you playing anyway.

The only real issue I have with any of this is the nerf to jump range. 5ly (@JDC 5) is so short. The fatigue thing, I get that, I suggested a similar mechanic though one that was far less convoluted. I had initially suggested a cooldown on drives/bridges with an increase in the average distance between systems. I removed the distance increase in later posts because I came to realize that everything depends on getting it right when it comes to the speed of fleet movements and I was suggesting a distance increase on average of 15-20% not 65%.

Right now fleets move too fast. I'm very much afraid that if these changes go through as presented here the game will stagnate because it will be too slow. So keep your jump fatigue, though specific numbers may still need a tweak, but leave the range of jump bridges and drives 100% unaffected and keep capitals unable to use gates. Combining the jump fatigue with a massively decreased jump range is just a recipe for death and 15ly or so is not an unreasonable sphere of influence for an alliance that can field capital fleets.

The old days of low and null sec in 2007 are dead and gone and are not coming back. Pandora's box has been opened now that capitals are prolific instead of relegated to only a handful of high ranking alliance members. Titans are too numerous to bother keeping an up to date list of who owns and pilots them. Jump drives and bridges are a part of the game now and you can't put the lid back on. Maybe it would have been better had EVE never introduced capital ships, we'll never know but we are stuck with them now. Even though on the surface it looks like these changes will bring back the roaming low sec gangs I fought in my early days I'm not so naive. Don't believe people who say they can bring back the EVE of 2007, people want their SRPs and that takes cash and lots of it. Things are different now and they will not go the same way the second time through because it is not 2007 anymore and perspectives change as well as mechanics.

CCP I'm 100% with you on this one!
Don't backdown, DO IT!!

now we clearly understand what this "null deal" was all about, and why opposing blocks were all standing behind Mittani's "listen to us cause we're the boss" bullsh*t. Dont listen to them, and dont add more NPC systems/stations !!

btw after reading the null deal and now this dev blog, isn't it obvious that certain CSM members are breaking the NDA and letting Mittani &friends know what you are planning ahead?

The proposed changes are generally cool. The 5LY range nerf is a bit too harsh maybe. Some batphone calls will get a lot of "Hold the line please..." automated messages. Please do not nerf the Blackops tho, there is really no need to I think. They are good where they are and at what they do, which is dunking the ISK printing machines of renters. Podjumping nerf is a bit overkill, the current pod prices are making people with big SP amounts think twice before suicide pod jumping anyway. Also - fatigue reducing skill.