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to stop the massive force projection from one side of new eden to the other, just put a cooldown timer on dreads, carriers, supers, titans, of like 10/15 mins between jumps? much simpler, and they can keep their ranges, etc, and as a bright side, half of eve isnt in uproar and unsubbing/rmt'ing accounts and starting to play star citizen.

I admit myself very concerned.

Take for example a simple 20 LY jump, in 4 increments of 5 LY. First jump is a 6 minute timer, 6 fatigue. Timer causes fatigue to decay to 5.4, next jump is a 6 minute timer, 32.4 fatigue. Timer causes fatigue to decay to 31.8, next jump is 31.8 minutes, 190.8 fatigue. Timer causes fatigue to decay to 187.6. Last jump leaves you with a 3 hour timer, and 1125.6 fatigue. That's 7.8 days for that timer to decay.

It took you 45 minutes to travel that distance, and you can't turn around and go back for over a week.

Even a BLOPs bridge is problematic. Take a 7.5 LY bridge for a gank (BLOPs retain their ~7.8 LY range, according to the blog). You bridge in, 8.5 minute timer and 8.5 fatigue. You have to stay there for at least 8.5 minutes, but say you stay for 15 total. That leaves 7 fatigue remaining. Jump back, now you're at 59.5 fatigue. That means you're effectively done bridging for ten hours. One BLOPs bridge round trip per night, folks, that's it.

Seriously, this kills jump drive travel. In many ways, I think you're better off jumping, waiting the hour for your fatigue to decay, then jumping again, as many times as it takes to move to where you're going.

I mean, only large alliances are going to have the manpower to gate-jump capitals. For everyone else, they might as well just self-destruct the capital (and their pod), fly to their destination, and buy a new capital, because it amounts to the same.

Seriously, the exponential growth curve demolishes jump drive travel almost completely. You're functionally making capitals only a local-use tool, and restricting moving capitals any sort of distance to purely the largest alliances.

Question is what are the jump ranges for Rorquals and Jump Freighters going to be?

Blog says "Almost all jump-capable ships will have their range reduced to 5 LY after skills" and "Jump Freighters and Rorquals will gain a role bonus: 90% reduction to effective range jumped for the purposes of all these calculations, but will otherwise get all the described changes. This means that, for all the math we’re doing on this feature, whenever we use the range jumped as a variable we first multiply it by 0.1"

Thing is when I first use the range jumped as a variable I check to see if I can make the jump. If the jump is 10 LY then effective jump range is 0.1 x 10LY = 1LY so that means if the JF has a jump range of 1LY it can make the 10LY jump right? It does say "all the math" which includes checking to see if the jump is in range?

This may have already been mentioned, apologies if so but RE: logistics and the use of JFs for supplying 0.0:

Many people undock from 4-4 in JFs and immediately jump to a cyno to avoid the veritable shitstorm that is the 4-4 undock and the surrounding systems. Under the range limit of 5 light years however that leaves only 2 valid low sec systems that may be jumped to:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/range/Nomad,0/Jita

Two systems, a small collection of stations, of which one 1 is non-kickout. I'm all in favour of bottlenecks for content but this is the most populous trade hub in new eden would it not be possible to at least get 1 other option? Making max jump range 6 light years would for example offer 22 possible cyno-out points otherwise I can envision JF losses quickly outstripping production and the logistics backbone of new eden tumbling like a house of cards.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/range/Nomad,1/Jita

As it stands now, unless you happen to want to head in that direction already cynoing out of 4-4 as is not a practical option at all.

Given how you seem prone to insults, that's exactly what it looks like, yes.

Note how all of my posts at least try to maintain an air of civility.

To all those pilots thinking about "voting with their feet":

Go ahead and contract all of your stuff to Ryk Kion. I will be opening a 'bank' for any and all of your crap.

It may or may not be there when you inevitably realize nobody cares you are leaving and decide to return. Likely it will die in one glorious manner or another. Actually I probably won’t even return it if it’s still around.

Either way contract it to me!

ok, my 0.02 isk on that

a) Player-built stargates (PBS) should appear first
b) Capital ships should use only PBS but not common stargates for traveling between systems
c) Jump fatigue and jump cooldowns needs to go
d) And be replaced by
- some "Jump capacitor" that looks and acts like a capacitor only for jumps
- non-linear regeneration: regeneration speed depends on actual capacity. More actual capacity - more regen
- the more resource "jump capacitor" have the longer jump range is
- full range jump require some % of "jump capacitor" capacity
and that's it for jumps

This will
1. Prevent people from jumping too frequently working as sort of "soft cooldown"
2. Allow planning beforehand as fleet formation jump time will be more manageable like
a) Alice did some anomalies today and has some jump fatigue
b) Bob is fresh
c) All fleet have to wait for Alice in order to jump in
This kills all the planning beforehand as jump cooldown timers of different fleet people can be different so the fleet will have to wait for the longest jump cooldown before planning 2-jump ops
That's not the case in the proposed solution


I mean cmon guys, jump fatigue, jump cooldowns timers, jump fatigue decay multipliers seriously?
All these things looks completely non-realistic and artificial.

Do
Reduce jump fuel consumption to 30% per jump.


Else:
1. Jump fuel cost will skyrocket over night - imagine oil prices triple in a day.

2. Moving will take FAR longer - since you also need to move/consume fuel 300% more. The effect is felt twice in fuel COST and fuel VOLUME. This will cause LESS ship movement, NOT more.

3. Capitals will be sold off en mass, or converted to minerals and sold, crashing both capital market and mineral market - potentially irreversibly destablizing the whole economy.

4. Capital pilots will be devaluated en masse, potentially crashing the character prices across the board.

5. Skill points - refund those jump skill points, as well as capital related skill points.

this isnt a nerf or a re balancing its a game changer and not in a good way very few people will like this change and everyone else will hate it the fatigue is a reasonable idea but changing the distances is absurd

So, I ran some numbers for myself, even though I believe that someone else in the thread has already done some math on jumping.

From what I see, if a capital pilot decides to, for some insane reason, jump across the galaxy without waiting at all for his jump fatigue to expire, by the 12th jump said pilot will have a thousand year cooldown timer, and therefore have to wait TEN thousand years for his fatigue to expire.

This seems somewhat excessive.

I do like the idea where, if a capital (fleet) DOES wait for their jump fatigue to expire, they will be jumping approximately once an hour.

I would suggest modifying the calculation on the jump fatigue value, such that the more fatigue you have, the less fatigue you gain, so that your jump fatigue would top out at some arbitrary value.