EVE General Discussion

The thing that fecks me off about all CCP balancing stuff is the completely idiotic treatment of veteran players.

We have spent years learning the nomenclature of modules, the stats of stuff, the strange 'Tech 2 is not always best', trained the niche skills to 5 just to fly something or use a POS gun.

Eve is a game of adapt of die, sure... But when changes are made that serve no purpose other than to make the game more 'accessible' to new players - at the expense of our learned knowledge, something is way off.

The balancing of ships worked initially because the changes generated new content, but it quickly settled into a new and actually more banal meta of PVP.
For example... Logi being the requirement even for crappy frigate brawls, Kite being far superior in every way to brawl, Tanks (especially active ones) being ridiculously boosted making solo pvp a totally boring tank vs tank vs oh its bait again scrub game. Risk is being eliminated, ISK costs are being ramped up, Battleships being way overpriced, stupidly slow, unable to track anything bar other battleships...

I guess the main point of my long grumbling post is this...

CCP are ruining this game with poorly conceived changes for 'new' players at the expense of 'old' players. I personally can't be bothered re-learning stuff when the changes are more likely to limit, restrict and marginalise more of spaceship PVP than they actually enable.

Change is fine and I'd embrace it if they actually introduced new stuff, added more variety for example and stopped doing things that seem like the rock, paper or scissors of our little game leaves us playing more rock, rock, rock.

I'd agree with her opinions, for the most part.

I really do hope CCP listens to us about this. I don't want this to turn into some bloody simple thing.

i didn't say it wasn't simple.

i just said it was a hassle.

I decided to go to sleep, and see if the night bring any advice to the matter. And it did.

http://community.eveonline.com/community/volunteer-program/

EvE online has a volunteer division called Mercury, that should take care of the Lore and Fiction of EvE. Now I don't hear from them since long, I guess their last official post date back in 2008, but don't we let them handle the lore side of this tiercide? Actually, is Mercury still alive?

I for one I would love to dig myself into writing lore description of the new Tiericided modules, and I guess I wouldn't be alone in that.

I know that probably the descriptions for the small rail guns, at example, will look all alike, but still reading why Caldari corps developed such variations and why instead Gallentian ones developed the small blasters variations of the basic module is going to add that Sci-Fi touch that EvE risk to lose by streamlining the name of the modules.

I'm going to do the unprecedented, and wonder what would a CCP dev says about having the mercury team handling the Module Descriptions

Yeah characters named Rancid McTurdbreath are far more immersion breaking than module names.

Just throwing in that I also like the idea of corp-related names for modules. Beyond that, meh. I don't shoot things enough anymore to really have an opinion on any of this.

It's only pseudo.
They're not really intelligent, else they'd realise that being cold and shallow isn't intelligent.

It is, literally, a blind spot.

Ridiculous.

If someone can't be arsed to spend the trivial amount of time it takes to compare modules and decide which one best fits their skills and ship fitting capabilities, and needs the handholding of a purely technically descriptive "good/better/best" naming scheme then I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

It's not about "true intellectuals" this or "pseudo intellectuals that"...it's about maintaining or (here's a radical thought) even improving immersion. Because...it's a game.

Unless of course CCP has run out of space on the item database storage box and can't afford more disks...then ok, fine, reduce the number of items.

You nail it.


A noob and his muscle car.
(see my post in the actually relevant thread I've linked above)

I was referring to more in general than just modules to be honest - things like skill requirements for Assault ships, Command ships etc being made easier to skill for, and my particular peeve - Battleships being pretty much nerfed / obsoleted because CCP wants everyone who is not a supercap pilot to fly newbie friendly frigates or T1 logi.

Do you remember Escrow? Do you remember buying cap recharger IIs from Escrow for 30m or actually having to do a cost/benefit asessment and fitting bartons or worse on your belt ratting thorax? Or how about being forced to use Named Webs and Warp Scrams/Disrupts that actually had different ranges and strengths that mattered or because of CPU? - A lot of 'new' players wont remember any of these real choices because CCP have pretty much made T2 as standard fit on everything....

I'm not arguing 30m for a T2 module is correct, but rather that the current "broken" tiers of modules were not always so broken. It is more that poor changes by CCP have obsoleted and ruined any choices that used to exist - particularly in fittings - Tiericide almost always dumped more CPU/Grid on every ship in order to make fits cookie-cut standard T2 replicas.

You can sperg all you want there being no real difference NOW, no argument here.... but trusting those CCP guys who actually stuffed up much of the balance by nullifying fitting choices in the first place to "fix" the redundancy is niaive.

They will simply remove a bunch of currently unused modules and rename the remaining stuff to Basic module I, Advanced module I and Module II - just because they can't be arsed MAKING interesting differences and choices in modules or because they are too afraid of players ability to be creative or losing control of the meta (cookie cutter fits) and enabling players to do stuff they can't think of with the tools they provide - The nano age, the nos nerf, drone bandwidth etc - all rebalanced and removing something different from the game every time... I'm not saying those nerfs were wrong, but hang on - flown a Vagabond recently? Isn't it just a Thorax/Maller/Close Range Brawler I ?

For example I'm half expecting them to just full on remove all COSMOS modules from game rather than attempt to make a viable choice out of them.

They are "streamlining" all over the place - like removing Data Interfaces from invention, just because they can't be bothered to follow up improve upon or add any more functioning complexity. Things like that actually require effort and time spent improving their product - much easier to simply chop bits out of the code and call it "streamlining for accessibility".

I could grumble on and on, but I suspect you all just read "bittervet" anyway and would rather I left the game too. In actuality I have had lots of fun over the 9 years now playing Eve - I have a long term perspective on the game and believe in general it has gotten better over that time - I also hope in future to keep playing this game and that CCP can rekindle some excitement for the future of this game because it has always had masses of 'potential'.
Ot is just newer players cant relate to the fact that eve development and "expansion" has almost stopped. the development has stagnated and - Tiericide - is a lot of minor changes for very little real gameplay improvements - it is more like a plumber unclogging your toilet calling it a "fix" but pushing the problem to your outside drain further downstream. How long have they been doing expansions that are simply rebalancing?

The whole net result is the Eve stink gets worse... with no freshening 'content' to near that potential. Newbies welcome to the dungheap.

Yes I did get bitter in the end.