Science & Industry

Although I did not agree with you it seems you have been heard.

...aaaaand, as I should have continued, it's possible that these changes will be just fine due to the addition of *other* changes which will affect supply/demand and risk/reward. Null might become more dangerous for the inhabitants. The demand for minerals (due to new structures?) might skyrocket far beyond the current supply. Etc. I don't want to give the impression that I'm certain of the exact ramifications of this change in every section of space.

And hopefully we've all been reminded that when Goonswarm makes a push on a game change (be it ship balancing or industry), we need to be prepared for that change to happen.

Especially with 4 CSM members.

I doubt mining in low sec will ever become a viable or popular activity. For the most part it's something you try once and lose your ship doing so in a relatively short time. Once bitten twice shy.

I don't see the issue you all purport to see.

You think Zydrine below Nocx for 5 years is alright? Nullsec used to have mining, you know. Used to. Back in 2007-8 when the game was healthy and breaking all-time highs in population numbers.

Now, all you have is stagnating nullsec ALONG with highsec - only the hardcorers are left, the people who are used to 58 Mex and 400 Zydrine, elite small roaming gangs spamming GFGF with nobody even considering taking sov of another entity, and for them nothing else matters.

Even if the game dies due to severe structural imbalances and distorted markets, they want to enjoy their little sand castle empires for a little longer.

Now THAT is the real issue at hand.

I believe you mean, welcome to the failed product of CCP's ore ratio passes. Highsec is supplying 70% of the ore in the game, almost all as low ends, and yet there is still such a horrible ratio of high ends to low ends in null that the market is flooded with high end minerals.

I agree with your evaluation, specifically with Pyerite and Mex- they're going to take a hit as the null ore anoms are fixed. Large quantities of trit will still be required to be imported from highsec due to existing ship mineral requirements. However, the increased supply from null will drive trit prices lower to pre-crius/pre-isboxernerf prices.

In order for CCP to fix null mining, zyd, mega and morphite are going to need to raise in price- mostly attributed to a decrease in supply. CCP did mention that they're going to change ship mineral requirements, which leads me to believe that they'll also increase the required high ends and morphite in their respective categories. Without seeing numbers, it's impossible to accurately predict where zyd/mega will increase to, but it should continue to drive towards older numbers. I don't believe we'll ever see zyd or mega back where they used to be in their glory days, but it'll still be another 100% or more than their current prices.

The issue isn't whether or not zyd or mega will reach those levels. It's more of a gamble on how long existing stockpiles will last before prices reach the appropriate level based on supply- which could be year(s). Zyd and Mega are now long plays for huge profits; a mini GS even.

The irony of this is that Fozzie only announced these changes right after saying "we don't want to disclose any details so that you people [at fanfest] don't miss out on any market opportunities". As he was finishing his sentence about null ore anoms, I was clearing out zyd at ~410 and mega at ~720

The graph at Fanfest showing the drop in miners after certain usage of ISBoxer type software was made illegal under the EULA might be small beer compared to any drop in mining resulting from these changes. Not sure it's wise to give too many advantages to null-sec over the other three areas.

Price of Pyerite is still at approximately two and a half times over the price of Tritanium so I'm not sure where you got your figures. It has been like that for quite a long time now - we're talking years. Although Veldspar still is a good mining choice and will continue to be so.

I agree that it is not representative for CCP Fozzie to take the opinion of just one member of the CSM and to act on that alone. But what's done is done.

I really don't get why people make this argument. This argument is completely incorrect and, for lack of a better word, Ignorant.

Having the raw building blocks for t1 items hardly makes us self-sufficient. Unless you assume people in null only run t1 ships and fits without any faction or lp items or ammo. Also, what about Ice? Are you suggesting that Goons only use Nitrogen Isotopes? What about datacores, faction ammo and mods, implants, t3 ships, or even moon minerals not found in our space? When at war, where do you think we buy ships from? Highsec. We move them through highsec to near our deployment system.

Again, this change hardly makes us self sufficient. What it does do, however, is allow us to actually build two battleships without having to import trit.