Missions & Complexes

I loved the concept, don't get me wrong. The rewards considering the time and difficulty though just seem so out of sync, even with normal lv4s. And that's even with theoretical maximum rewards. Maybe I'll run the numbers again some time.

You used the amarr BC to run the site?

Onyx is slow
Drake Navy Issue passive tanked with Cal Navy Hams is expensive but fast
Cerb ancil fit it somewhere in the middle

Technically could easily be done in any missile+ancil boost ship, like a Cyclone.

The only thing that makes it worth it is the Ashimmu sometimes drops sleeper loot worth quite a bit. No idea why, but it does.

damage control, BCS in lows, Purger rigs, Large shield extenders and 2x EM 1x Therm passive resist.

Go T2 Ham or Cal Navy launchers and cal navy missiles. Thermal for Sentinels, Kin for Ashimmu.

Go with Hobgob Is for drones.


Sidenote: Todays patch seems to so far tone down the drone aggro... I think it was a "bug"

Looks like a few gankers in Lanngisi targeting typical burner mission frigates in insta thrashers, already have a few very shiny kills. AKA why I'd never fly a 3x faction bcu garmur. And totally makes me want to go full on yarr! every time I see one posted. apparently a few people actually fly them in game and in an SoE hub.

The Navy Drake isn't going to cut it - not unless you drop a few BCS in lieu of shield power relays (which will really neuter your DPS). I managed to kill one Sentinel and get the Ashimmu into armor before I bit it (and that was using drones as bait, too). I think you'd need a minimum of 2 shield power relays, but the loss of DPS will also prolong how long you have to tank incoming damage.


Just imagine if Lanngisi was a 0.4 system...


They're just inherently lazy...

Soooo ... there was an interesting link in new player chat to a discussion about missile range and server ticks on Reddit that is relevant to burners:

flight time is only superior if you don't care how long it takes your missiles to get to the target and on ships that have extreme bonuses. which amount to 3 ships in effect.

A few options for cheaper setups. Also note Unified daredevil works on the amarr team, although that one is a bit expensive. I would guess you could make a cheaper setup work, but I haven't tried.

1: cheap garmur. Works for everything, I typically approach the burner and then turn around ~30km, and then stay 22-24 km away from the burner and burn out in a straight line (usually right back at the mission beacon). ECM or DPS one or both logi. I typically just stick with navy ammo. Can swap to jav and be effective at over 30km on the burner jag if you want safety. Typically I just sit at 24km or so and use navy.
[Garmur, TeamBurner ECM cheap rocket 2x ecm painter]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Pro-Nav Compact Missile Guidance Enhancer

1MN Afterburner II
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Small Ionic Field Projector I

2. cheap retribution, what I typically use for caldari. I've used against gallente and that works, not optimal damage type, but not all that bad either. will probably work vs amarr, I never tried it.
[Retribution, kill it burner ecm kite]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Overdrive Injector System II
Co-Processor II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S
[empty high slot]
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S

Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II



3. cheap harpy, what I typically use for burner jag. (perhaps a bit too much optimal, can probably swap a rig for a dps one)
[Harpy, 150mm ECM]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Co-Processor II

Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I

150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator II

RE: server ticks, I want to see more tests before I believe it. Although I wouldn't be too surprised either way. My rule of thumb is "flight time x velocity * 90%" Although the garmur would probably be a very good test subject with its 1.886s flight time on rockets, not to mention the 150 capacity gives a nice sample size and fast rate of fire means you get the data pretty quickly. I'm pretty sure my rockets are hitting as long as I'm about 90% range, but with 1.7s launch time I'm not counting them out properly either. Also with my fly away in a straight line tactic the NPCs are flying into rocket range and that extends my base range a bit.

Another thing about missiles is they seem to launch in the direction you are flying. if you look at snowballs/fireworks a few interesting things seem to happen. I haven't really studied it just noticed it while flying one day. Although that might be completely incorrect as "missiles" are just a graphical effect and not the actual projectile.

Also with higher velocity missiles the 10% fudge factor seems to be less in play. They accelerate to top speed in the same amount of time as slower missiles. Also they get to the target much faster so spend less time adjusting for the target's movement. my rocket garmur seems to be pretty accurate near its "max" range, even orbiting.

hmm looking at the agility formula "TimeToWarp = -ln(0.25) × Mass_kg × Agility / 1000000" it only takes missiles a fraction of a second to accelerate, at least given the agility and mass from EFT. Although I'm also not 100% sure how to set the formula to get max speed. maybe that isn't as big a factor as previously thought? when whoever posted it it made a lot of sense and the numbers seemed right, perhaps it was just a server tick issue all along?

Fly the T2 fitted light missile ECM Garmur. It is a 100 mill ship fitted and becasue it is not polarised it can take a couple of wrecking shots before popping. It is slower to complete the mission but far safer.