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Unscheduled Downtime - 22/08/2014

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#361 - 2014-08-22 11:39:50 UTC
xRyokenx wrote:
Up and down, then up and down.

TQ is the new Vengaboys?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#362 - 2014-08-22 11:41:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
xRyokenx wrote:
Up and down, then up and down.

TQ is the new Vengaboys?

OHGODWHATHAVEYOUDONE!

THEMEMORIESOMFG!


BRAIN BLEACH! STAT!!

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Big Lynx
#363 - 2014-08-22 11:55:15 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

UPDATES - 22/08/2014:

UPDATE 06:55 - TRANQUILITY IS ONCE AGAIN EXPERIENCING ISSUES - WE ARE INVESTIGATING
UPDATE 08:30 - CONNECTIVITY TO TRANQUILITY HAS BEEN RESTORED


UPDATES - 21/08/2014:

UPDATE - 18:10 - SERVICES ARE NOW COMING BACK ONLINE
UPDATE - 19:20 - TRANQUILITY HAS EXPERIENCED A DDoS ATTACK - INVESTIGATION ONGOING
UPDATE - 19:50 - TRANQUILITY HAS EXPERIENCED A SECOND ATTACK - WE'RE WORKING ON IT
UPDATE - 21:20 - TRANQUILITY IS STILL UNDER DDoS ATTACK - APOLOGIES FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE
UPDATE - 23:50 - TRANQUILITY HAS BEEN STABILIZED AND WE ARE WORKING ON RESOLVING ISSUES
UPDATE - 00:30 - TRANQUILITY IS NOW STABLE AND ACCEPTING CONNECTIONS AGAIN



Somerblink rageing? xD
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#364 - 2014-08-22 11:56:48 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:
You can scrub the traffic through a router farm dedicated to doing just that, using complex algorithms to mostly separate the bad and drop it while still sending the good on it's way.

So what's the overhead of these "complex algorithms"?


Packet or cost overhead?

First, zero. Second, hard to tell. I'm sure CCP has looked into it and could give you a better idea than I can. I dont know solid figures.

I'm to understand its very costly to hire anyone that can actually deliver. You're talking some incredibly expensive equipment coupled with nearly as expensive support.

My company has been developing our own in house solution to blunt the costs and we're hoping to roll out a product mid-next year. I was told there was no way we'd pay what bringing in an effective solution would cost, and my company makes at least a million to every one CCP dollar.

"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain."
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#365 - 2014-08-22 12:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: S'Way
Couldn't log in last night, same again today. Sad

Have you tried turning it off and on again CCP ?
Failing that, let Tuxford have a go at fixing it.

Edit:- Also just found out eve-mail doesn't work when tranquility is down.....the orange mail symbol on the forums with mail you can't get to makes downtimes even worse.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#366 - 2014-08-22 12:05:00 UTC
So apparently more people use the launcher than I had expected. Even more surprising is the amount of so-called bittervets....
Salladhar
Doomheim
#367 - 2014-08-22 12:09:40 UTC
oh pooh, I started this week, hope this does not happen, I really need to do my missions and do skills, *crys* Who is this happening, who is attacking us, can we stop them, what are they doing it for? What do they want? Is this illegal, can we swop servers or redirect them to a dead end?
Fireslake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#368 - 2014-08-22 12:16:13 UTC
I started playing MMO's when Ultima Online came out.

What amuses me is that the posts regarding downtime have not changed in almost 20 years. LOL.

When EQ came out it would go down for 3 days at a time. Some dealt with it better than others of course.

But even after all these years and a significant increase in the general knowledge of how the internet works we still have the same posts:

1. "I hope we're going to be compensated for this."

2. "I'm going to sue them."

3. "Restart your computers."


Amazing.
Todd Shadow
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#369 - 2014-08-22 12:17:00 UTC
Downtime just got extended another half hour (to 12:30 GMT).

I give up. I'm going to bed. Empty skill queue be damned.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#370 - 2014-08-22 12:17:47 UTC
Salladhar wrote:
oh pooh, I started this week, hope this does not happen, I really need to do my missions and do skills, *crys* Who is this happening, who is attacking us, can we stop them, what are they doing it for? What do they want? Is this illegal, can we swop servers or redirect them to a dead end?

Redirecting you to a dead end

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Todd Shadow
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#371 - 2014-08-22 12:23:07 UTC
Fireslake wrote:
I started playing MMO's when Ultima Online came out.

What amuses me is that the posts regarding downtime have not changed in almost 20 years. LOL.

When EQ came out it would go down for 3 days at a time. Some dealt with it better than others of course.

But even after all these years and a significant increase in the general knowledge of how the internet works we still have the same posts:

1. "I hope we're going to be compensated for this."

2. "I'm going to sue them."

3. "Restart your computers."


Amazing.


Not sure how I feel about compensation for just one day. But either way. It's not outrageous to expect compensation when you haven't provided a certain product to those who have paid for it. A small helping of unalocated SP would be a good gesture. You'd still have whiners. But thier going to whine no matter what.

But like I said. Worse case scenario, timewise, most anybody has lost is a days worth of skill point training. So compensation may be negligible anyway.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#372 - 2014-08-22 12:23:51 UTC
Salladhar wrote:
oh pooh, I started this week, hope this does not happen, I really need to do my missions and do skills, *crys* Who is this happening, who is attacking us, can we stop them, what are they doing it for? What do they want? Is this illegal, can we swop servers or redirect them to a dead end?


no sweat mon. Last time was... a year ago?

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Solecist Project
#373 - 2014-08-22 12:26:00 UTC
Anyone who asks for compensation ....

*I throw cents on the ground...*

Take it, you scrubs.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#374 - 2014-08-22 12:28:15 UTC
I was bummed about the extended downtime. Then I grabbed a bottle of whisky and suddenly things are looking up. Take your time CCP, take your time.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#375 - 2014-08-22 12:30:43 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
I was bummed about the extended downtime. Then I grabbed a bottle of whisky and suddenly things are looking up. Take your time CCP, take your time.

in addition to that, here's a good one.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#376 - 2014-08-22 12:32:45 UTC
Beta Maoye wrote:
Where do they find so many computers to use for their attack?


All sorts of places, you have to remember the average PC owner is a clueless moron that thinks the screen is the computer and the beige box is just the modem.



at a guess some of it will be free 'extra' software bundled with :-

RMT transactions
'Free' game hacks
certain online 'pill' purchases
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2014-08-22 12:36:09 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Beta Maoye wrote:
Where do they find so many computers to use for their attack?


All sorts of places, you have to remember the average PC owner is a clueless moron that thinks the screen is the computer and the beige box is just the modem.



at a guess some of it will be free 'extra' software bundled with :-

RMT transactions
'Free' game hacks
certain online 'pill' purchases


certain online sites for purchase of less-than-moral videos about intimate relationships between a man and a woman, or a man and a man, or a woman and another woman, or an animal and a man or woman or both.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#378 - 2014-08-22 12:59:13 UTC
Amanda Orion wrote:

It is not quite true to say there is nothing that can be done against a DDOS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDoS_mitigation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SYN_cookies


Exactly. DDoS is such a mundane, everyday predictable attack, you can just pick up a security appliance like this Checkpoint CPAP-DP4412 and drop it into your rack.

Will it work? For this last amateurish attack, yeah, it might be all you'll need. If not - as I've stated before - there's dozens of other highly effective strategies you can deploy. European castle, Asian castle, pre-filtering through your gateway load balancers (if you deploy load balancers), targeted stateful packet inspection from your primary firewall, or your secondary firewall, or both, etc.

Easy, yes. Cheap, no. That Checkpoint appliance alone runs about USD 70K. You can almost buy a Tesla for that.

It's an absurd notion that you can't utterly defeat a script kiddy DDoS attack. Amazon.com is victimized by DDoS all the time and it's never down. Microsoft.com is the most hacked/attacked site on the internet and it has been for 20 years, but it's never down. Never. They couldn't care less about DDoS attacks because they've deployed many layers of defenses against it. Microsoft.com was happy to have a Bill Gates budget to do it, though.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#379 - 2014-08-22 13:04:28 UTC
exactly my point in all this.

The DDoS mitigation level is proportional to how fat your wallet is.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#380 - 2014-08-22 13:07:40 UTC
Wish this DDOS'r would use his botnet to target someone who deserves it. But I'm having trouble of thinking of who that would be.

I discourage running with scissors.