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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Second Static for C4s

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Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#301 - 2014-08-14 17:37:03 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Pavel Sohaj wrote:
Just checked, if my current WH has new C5 static ill get stuck with C5 for all time?


At least you didn't get a brand new C6 static.


Hey im not entirely fond of C5 either.
Kp Amelia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#302 - 2014-08-14 19:14:37 UTC
XvXTeacherVxV wrote:
I think mentioning any consultation with the CSM is quite appropriate since their involvement in EVE's design is substantial. This is an odd complaint.


I just feel a more honest response would be "We (CCP) understand your concerns but believe our changes are better than the suggestions provided in your feedback and would like to introduce our changes and allow time to assess them."

There is no reason to bring up the CSM, there are a lot of concerns with the incoming changes and I believe CCP should take full accountability for them, whether they turn out good or bad.

I for one don't completely agree or disagree with the changes, all though their likely effect on me and my eve friends will be us moving out of our C4. It just irks me when someone tries to shift accountability.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#303 - 2014-08-14 20:34:58 UTC
Aight, based on the stream, where is the large group that requsted this change please?
Fish McCragg
Nomad Collective
OnlyHoles
#304 - 2014-08-14 20:38:31 UTC
Pavel Sohaj wrote:
Aight, based on the stream, where is the large group that requsted this change please?


I believe it was just about everybody who lives in non-c4 wormhole space.

But in all seriousness, I keep hearing there were lots of wormhole suggestion threads. I'm too lazy to dig them up right now.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#305 - 2014-08-14 20:40:21 UTC
Fish McCragg wrote:
Pavel Sohaj wrote:
Aight, based on the stream, where is the large group that requsted this change please?


I believe it was just about everybody who lives in non-c4 wormhole space.

But in all seriousness, I keep hearing there were lots of wormhole suggestion threads. I'm too lazy to dig them up right now.


So if I cry enough, ill get null changed? :D im missing the point, people who do not live here want to add smth that those who live there are against. Thats smart.

The stream made my ears bleed.
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#306 - 2014-08-14 21:02:53 UTC
Pavel Sohaj wrote:
Aight, based on the stream, where is the large group that requsted this change please?


/raise my hand

~Bringer of happiness

http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#307 - 2014-08-14 21:02:55 UTC
It's true that there have been many threads and debates about this. In fact, many requests were made by the most active posters to have sub-C5 residents weigh in on the issues and rarely did any such people post.

It's an unfortunate inevitability that more casual players will be under represented compared to the very active (and vocal) members that typically end up in C5/C6 space.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#308 - 2014-08-14 21:07:46 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
It's true that there have been many threads and debates about this. In fact, many requests were made by the most active posters to have sub-C5 residents weigh in on the issues and rarely did any such people post.

It's an unfortunate inevitability that more casual players will be under represented compared to the very active (and vocal) members that typically end up in C5/C6 space.


Yeah. WEll, does not matter anymore. Already moved most stuff out.
TomyLobo
U2EZ
#309 - 2014-08-15 04:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: TomyLobo
Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn wrote:
Fish McCragg wrote:
Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn wrote:
I'm not sure but i scanned some minutes ago with my alt in a c4 on sissy and i've two statics in this c4. normaly it's a c4-c1 and now there is a c247 to a c3. Maybe the new statics are online on sissy now.


What constellation is that in, if I may ask?


It's in constellation D-C00172 and Region D-R00018.

Do you get a lot of C3 k162s currently on TQ?
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#310 - 2014-08-15 07:17:43 UTC
TomyLobo wrote:
Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn wrote:
Fish McCragg wrote:
Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn wrote:
I'm not sure but i scanned some minutes ago with my alt in a c4 on sissy and i've two statics in this c4. normaly it's a c4-c1 and now there is a c247 to a c3. Maybe the new statics are online on sissy now.


What constellation is that in, if I may ask?


It's in constellation D-C00172 and Region D-R00018.

Do you get a lot of C3 k162s currently on TQ?


There are some. I checked sisi too, H900 :D time to gtfo.
Pro TIps
Doomheim
#311 - 2014-08-15 07:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Pro TIps
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Pro TIps wrote:

C4-space is a very good place for a corp to grow and gain experience before they branch out (or move up) to less-isolated areas. You are eliminating that unique space and growth-opportunity. My corp may as well rent in nullsec; it will certainly be cheaper than losing ships and time to increased PVP gang traffic. The only reason we think we have the needed experience to move out to null, though, is the several months we spent on the C4 learning curve.

Legit question: why is a C3 not viable for you? I've always thought the income was comparable.

C3s have more traffic and no W-space static to farm. It might be an option for us now, but I don't think it would have been when we started out. The traffic would have been killer.

The biggest change we are facing is reduced warning for an incoming K162 and increased motive for PVP gangs to come visit us. That's a bad combination for a group like us, who do combat sites in our static or our C4 using RR battleships with the occasional cruiser for tackle/DDD.

I spent all day yesterday with a PVP gang's scout licking his chops, waiting for someone in my corp to make a mistake and put their ship in harm's way. It's not that much fun sitting in your POS with five guys in fancy ships waiting to kill you. That's life in a small corp and it happens to us maybe once a week. I think it will be much more frequent in the future, and that's what will force us to move out.
Pashko Morgan
Mining And Science Tech.
#312 - 2014-08-15 12:55:53 UTC
Okay, downloading sisi client to look our new static...oh wait that doesn't really matter
c1 - afk miners and sleepy pi barons. Sabre time
c2 - t3 and guardian miniblobs. Ishtar time
c3 - k162 space. Covert cloaky trap time
c4 - barracks and rr bs farming. Yummy. Gheddon / legion time
c5 - cake gas, intact yummy stuff from easily blitzable relics, t3 and guardian macroblobs. Ishtar time still
c6 - not that much difference from c5. Gas and blobs

I really doubt that c5/6 dwellers will seriously go for your kiting ship until they are really really bored.
Summing it up - any new static is ok, the game play pattern for pvp stays the same for our corp, though sometimes it will be even more convenient - no need to bring wf links through extra system.

On the other side...we don't need much isk - got a hell load of pvp ships stored. The newer capsuleers who's wallet struggles losing a 400m ship should stay away from c4. And that's not good.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#313 - 2014-08-15 13:40:48 UTC
Pashko Morgan wrote:
Okay, downloading sisi client to look our new static...oh wait that doesn't really matter
c1 - afk miners and sleepy pi barons. Sabre time
c2 - t3 and guardian miniblobs. Ishtar time
c3 - k162 space. Covert cloaky trap time
c4 - barracks and rr bs farming. Yummy. Gheddon / legion time
c5 - cake gas, intact yummy stuff from easily blitzable relics, t3 and guardian macroblobs. Ishtar time still
c6 - not that much difference from c5. Gas and blobs

I really doubt that c5/6 dwellers will seriously go for your kiting ship until they are really really bored.
Summing it up - any new static is ok, the game play pattern for pvp stays the same for our corp, though sometimes it will be even more convenient - no need to bring wf links through extra system.

On the other side...we don't need much isk - got a hell load of pvp ships stored. The newer capsuleers who's wallet struggles losing a 400m ship should stay away from c4. And that's not good.


nothing is changing for ppl in other then C4 holes. C5 and C6 will get apparently more stuff to shoot sicne we are going to see overcrowding of C4s.
Aureline Dwyrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#314 - 2014-08-15 15:24:53 UTC
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#315 - 2014-08-15 15:46:24 UTC
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


He have a list. He isnt sharing. And he havent even promised it will be on tq as it is on sisi now. Just a "most likely"

~Bringer of happiness

http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#316 - 2014-08-15 16:20:21 UTC
calaretu wrote:
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


He have a list. He isnt sharing. And he havent even promised it will be on tq as it is on sisi now. Just a "most likely"


Hope it stays. Cause we have emptied our hole already.
Fish McCragg
Nomad Collective
OnlyHoles
#317 - 2014-08-15 16:22:23 UTC
calaretu wrote:
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


He have a list. He isnt sharing. And he havent even promised it will be on tq as it is on sisi now. Just a "most likely"



Ahem. . . I'm putting together a list. Anyone who can provide intel on what kinds of statics they're seeing would really help move that list forward. Right now, we've only got info on 3 constellations in one region. If I can get about 10 more data points (just need the new sisi static and either the jcode or the constellation), I'll be able to figure out the pattern. Come on, people. Cooperate a bit and we'll all benefit.
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#318 - 2014-08-15 17:38:00 UTC
Fish McCragg wrote:
calaretu wrote:
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


He have a list. He isnt sharing. And he havent even promised it will be on tq as it is on sisi now. Just a "most likely"



Ahem. . . I'm putting together a list. Anyone who can provide intel on what kinds of statics they're seeing would really help move that list forward. Right now, we've only got info on 3 constellations in one region. If I can get about 10 more data points (just need the new sisi static and either the jcode or the constellation), I'll be able to figure out the pattern. Come on, people. Cooperate a bit and we'll all benefit.


I'm really sorry to burst your hope for a easy pattern, but it looks more like he just wrote it down by hand. on random. Start rolling c4's on sisi and you will see what I mean

~Bringer of happiness

http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#319 - 2014-08-15 17:45:01 UTC
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


Load Sisi, Scan, question answered
TomyLobo
U2EZ
#320 - 2014-08-15 17:58:38 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


Load Sisi, Scan, question answered

Sisi is horribly outdated though at 4 months back.