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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Second Static for C4s

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Nancy Wayke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#281 - 2014-08-14 12:49:48 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
Yup being able to farm C320 gas from all those empty C5's is horribad for sure..

I'm not quite sure what the point in posting such a ridiculously blinkered statement is; you know that that is not the only knock on effect of having a C5 link permanently in a corp's home system, and everyone else knows it too.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#282 - 2014-08-14 12:52:09 UTC
Pavel Sohaj wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Nancy Wayke wrote:
Well, our C4/C2 now has an additional C5 static, so we're moving everything out.


Yup being able to farm C320 gas from all those empty C5's is horribad for sure..


You need to roll quite a few to find it. Then clear it.


Yes pavel.. C320 is harder to find than mythical space unicorns and everyone is out to get you.

Happy now?
Nancy Wayke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#283 - 2014-08-14 12:52:25 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Legit question: why is a C3 not viable for you? I've always thought the income was comparable.

C3's only have k-space statics; I know that's the reason that my corp didn't go into a C3 wormhole.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#284 - 2014-08-14 13:03:08 UTC
Nancy Wayke wrote:
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Legit question: why is a C3 not viable for you? I've always thought the income was comparable.

C3's only have k-space statics; I know that's the reason that my corp didn't go into a C3 wormhole.

Fair reason. I still don't think it's a bad place to start, but I can see how that limits growth without a static to farm.
Nancy Wayke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2014-08-14 13:08:42 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Fair reason. I still don't think it's a bad place to start, but I can see how that limits growth without a static to farm.

We wanted wormhole PvP as well, so a C4 with static C2 gave us a decent place to base ourselves from. Better income than a C2 on home system sites, and a C2 static to PvP in or run sites when it's quiet if people want to.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#286 - 2014-08-14 13:27:47 UTC
Nancy Wayke wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Yup being able to farm C320 gas from all those empty C5's is horribad for sure..

I'm not quite sure what the point in posting such a ridiculously blinkered statement is; you know that that is not the only knock on effect of having a C5 link permanently in a corp's home system, and everyone else knows it too.



I was just illustrating an easy way to make money off your new static, aside from this, a couple of rr domies can do the easier c5 sites without too much of a hassle.

Contrary to what you people seem to think C5 systems are empty or inactive most of the time. Sure occasionally someone will find your c4-C2 to use it for trafficing goods.. guess what.. train bombers and pop their haulers and have some fun.

Experiment, try something, etcetera.
Nancy Wayke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#287 - 2014-08-14 13:52:27 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
Contrary to what you people seem to think C5 systems are empty or inactive most of the time.


But the times they aren't, we are connected to a group of people with income many times our own, in a system capable of supporting many times the number of pilots we have, with no way of rolling the wormhole due to the other changes coming in the Hyperion expansion.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#288 - 2014-08-14 13:58:29 UTC
Nancy Wayke wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Contrary to what you people seem to think C5 systems are empty or inactive most of the time.


But the times they aren't, we are connected to a group of people with income many times our own, in a system capable of supporting many times the number of pilots we have, with no way of rolling the wormhole due to the other changes coming in the Hyperion expansion.


Just like there are many pvp corps living in C2's that are larger than you are an can prevent you from rolling your C2 right now, without any changes.

Sometimes things don't go your way. shocker.
Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#289 - 2014-08-14 14:16:02 UTC
Nancy Wayke wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Contrary to what you people seem to think C5 systems are empty or inactive most of the time.


But the times they aren't, we are connected to a group of people with income many times our own, in a system capable of supporting many times the number of pilots we have, with no way of rolling the wormhole due to the other changes coming in the Hyperion expansion.


If you give it a chance I think you will find that C5 space is mostly empty not unlike the rest of wormhole space. Only a very small per cent of the holes contain active and organized groups which are paying attention and online. More often than not I can't even find an epithal or venture hugging a pos, ships actually in space are even more rare.

As a corp that is usually actively trying to find those few active holes which might field a pvp fleet, I can tell you that finding them just does not happen very often. There are maybe a half dozen interesting / dangerous holes at any given moment out of 513; that is around 1%. As long as you don't act like an idiot in local most likely the few that roll through will leave quickly enough. My advice is relax, try out your new environment for a bit and then decide.
Nancy Wayke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#290 - 2014-08-14 14:20:01 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
Just like there are many pvp corps living in C2's that are larger than you are an can prevent you from rolling your C2 right now, without any changes.

Sometimes things don't go your way. shocker.


The proportion of corps inhabiting C2 systems that we don't stand a chance against is much lower than the number of C5 corps that we don't stand a chance against. Someone can prevent us rolling our hole right now, without any changes. And on those nights, well, we're pretty scuppered.

But the Hyperion changes will mean that the nights on which we are scuppered will be more frequent, significantly so, because we'll be encountering corps that we can't put a fight up against more often, and we will not be able to roll the wormhole due to the mass-based spawn distance changes. The increased risk paired with our relatively low income will not be sustainable or enjoyable for us.

So we're moving out and finding a system that is more to our tastes.

I understand that you would wish more people to be running sites in C5s - they would be great targets
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#291 - 2014-08-14 14:28:52 UTC
You got my motivation all wrong, much like most of what you have been posting, but good luck to you anyway.
Nancy Wayke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#292 - 2014-08-14 14:36:21 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
You got my motivation all wrong, much like most of what you have been posting ...


Said the Neutron-Blaster-equipped spider to the fly?

You may disagree with the risk / benefit analysis I have made, but my points stand. By having an additional static that links to C5 space we could not fail to have more risk present. And you personally stand to gain targets if more people are active in C5 space.
Fish McCragg
Nomad Collective
OnlyHoles
#293 - 2014-08-14 15:25:09 UTC
Nancy Wayke wrote:
Well, our C4/C2 now has an additional C5 static, so we're moving everything out.


What constellation (or Jcode if that's easier for you)? Trying to figure this pattern out.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#294 - 2014-08-14 15:26:06 UTC
Nancy Wayke wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
You got my motivation all wrong, much like most of what you have been posting ...


Said the Neutron-Blaster-equipped spider to the fly?

You may disagree with the risk / benefit analysis I have made, but my points stand. By having an additional static that links to C5 space we could not fail to have more risk present. And you personally stand to gain targets if more people are active in C5 space.



Yes I disagree, and no I gain nothing from you remaining where you are.
XvXTeacherVxV
Be Nice Inc.
Prismatic Legion
#295 - 2014-08-14 15:41:22 UTC
Kp Amelia wrote:
Edit: Fozzie I would appreciate it if you didn't constantly emphasis the CSM when addressing questions regarding patches and such. As while I respect the fact that it is them who provide gamer feedback to you, it is you as CCP who make the decisions regarding final changes not CSM, and it is on you as CCP that accountability for both concerns as well as praise should fall.


I think mentioning any consultation with the CSM is quite appropriate since their involvement in EVE's design is substantial. This is an odd complaint.
Can you see the rapier?: http://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE
Nancy Wayke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#296 - 2014-08-14 15:41:38 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
... I gain nothing from you remaining where you are.


Apologies, I thought Imperial Collective were based in a C5/C5
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#297 - 2014-08-14 17:15:45 UTC
Just checked, if my current WH has new C5 static ill get stuck with C5 for all time?
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#298 - 2014-08-14 17:22:55 UTC
According to Fozzie, yes, the statics on Sisi are almost certainly going to be what comes to tranquility.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2014-08-14 17:33:07 UTC
Pavel Sohaj wrote:
Just checked, if my current WH has new C5 static ill get stuck with C5 for all time?


At least you didn't get a brand new C6 static.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#300 - 2014-08-14 17:35:24 UTC
Awesome. Already packing stuff.