Wormholes

Whilst I applaud the views expressed you all seem to have missed something important. The poor Russians (Particularly BU and friends).

If this change goes ahead they may actually have to ......... oh it's so horrible I don't want to say............. Oh here goes ..........


They might actually have to Fight On The WH without friends and with equal numbers opposing and ...............

Urrghh it's so horrible I don't want to think about it anymore.

THIS is THE major issue.

Rolling with caps or Orca not possible means a lot of time needed to roll connexions.

Rolling connexion easily (it means in a few mins) for small/mid corps is MANDATORY.
It is less an issue for big corp directly, because they have the numbers.

So game experience is lower and for small group it can totally break game experience.

Look this, i usually connect around 21/22pm and for a 2<->4 hours session duration. If i have to waste more then half of that time to find a proper hole for what we need/want to do, there is no interest to play.

I will find another game. The highsec is boring, the lowsec is boring, the nullsec is in stasis.
No more easy game mechanics -> i leave.

This is simple, i have not the time to spend on this kind of designer caprice.

A game must be fluid. Rolling cnx makes the wh life fluid and keep all the danger you have in wh. This already a very dangerous game area. The only effect is to push out the small/mid corps.

If the game designer decides that this game is playable only for 100+ members corps, please tell us now. I will leave this probably very soon.

But tell us.

CCP cannot tweak a MAJOR GAME MECHANIC for an ENTIRE AREA OF THE GAME without communication.

Someone was talking about respect, CCP is lacking of respect. We are customers, we pay for this. CCP need to communicate on this NOW. It is not a proper way to do things.

CCP don't respect me, why should i respect it ?

They do the things properly for Crius.
Everything was explained well, the reasons, with data & facts, what it was planned, etc ...

WTF is this **** for WH ????

Ye.. I don't plan to derail this thread any further, you clearly misread or failed to read my initial post.

Ok there seems to be a logic failiure occuring here with some of the thinking.

Some seem to want wormholes to be more dangerous, because........?
Some seem to believe they are fields of gold for "farmers" and they should be punished somehow and forced to be either victims or fight.
And some believe if this was somehow done that there would be unlimited PVP and all would be well with wormhole space...........

Complete insanity.

If you drive farmers out, and making things unpleasant will do this, then there is No one to shoot.
Some great fights happen with people others might label as farmers, true farmers left long ago or get evicted. If one Makes things impossible for those who are willing to fight as well as PvE and you have a desert.

Just because CCP did not envision people living in wormholes is not an excuse to ruin them.

If anything, one should enable simpler hole rolling, but in conjunction with a specialised, expensive vessel, not "shaking things up" forcing every vessel into some artificial mechanic, that ruins the game for everyone ( yes everyone, you just haven't realised it yet)

CCP can play with unusual mechanics on this vessel if they see fit, and then players can decide if they are willing to accept the downsides.

Take the Nestor for example, or even the rocqual and allow it to be fit with modules that square the mass, and others that make the mass the square root when engaged. Let the distance from hole on jumpthrough depend on mass so it can choose distance at the cost of reducing the hole. Let it also have a beacon that can be engaged on this ship so that fleet vehicles when jumping the hole come out within 1Km of it's beacon. If the ship is destroyed, then another ships beacon (backup or an enemies) could be the land point.
Make it so that fitting any of these modules prevent the fitting of any type of cloak on this ship.
Finally, give the ship an immunity to the catch effect of drag/stop bubbles. Still unable to warp within it, just the catch effect, and it's beacon overpowers the catch effect locally for ships in fleet.
This allows crashing out of a wormhole, ( with a little thought, there are tactics to counter this so it is not an "I Win escape")

Then you have a Spatial displacement domination vessel.

This would allow hole crashing, hole defence, forcing through holecamps under heavy fire, and hole control for a fleet, without ruining all other gameplay for other ships.

Yes great risks will be involved in it's use, but the risks are consistent with it's abilities, and manageable with clever play and tactics. BY BOTH SIDES.

The idea is that there are now new tactics for hole control, tactics to crash through a defended hole, and new tactics to prevent that. And all without just making things even more of a pain for everyone with twisted artificial mechanics.

In short you give the players a tool to make things more interesting. And rewarding intelligent tactics.

This is not perfect, or finalised, but the core of an idea that can be fleshed out, that achieves many of the wishes to improve the opportunity for players to meet in a dynamic manner, without destroying the core wormhole mechanics for every ship.

How does this change make it impossible for farmers to run sites? Wouldn't less farming increase the value of sleeper salvage and solve the income issue with low class wormholes?

Instead of them criting the hole or rolling it and using the exploit of not warping to the new wormhole so it doesn't spawn, can't they just anchor a bubble or put a scout on the WH?

When one describes a core wormhole mechanic as an exploit, then nothing said will influence your thinking. Pity.

But I will try, this is not referring to making running sites impossible, it is about making functional wormhole life impossible.

Exploit definition: make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource). or Make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand

Seems like an apt description to me.

How does this prevent people from functioning? I agree that it changes the way or what people will do in wormhole space but i disagree that people will not be able to function.

There's nothing wrong with it but wormholes are supposed to be the most dangerous place to operate, so farming shouldn't be easy or peaceful IMO.

If you want to crit your hole, then you risk your ship getting caught off the hole and if you don't want to take the risk, you bubble your hole in an attempt to slow hostiles down a bit.

I was going to write something similar here.

C'mon EvE is a sand box. CCP invented W-Space and it should be some exploration environment for group activities. Fine, but your customers used "sandbox" approach and beginning to live there. It wasn't intended by designers, but in pure spirit of SANDBOX became reality

And I fully agree here if anyone who already lives there will be forced to move out to k-space or out of the game - we all gonna loose something, and it will have some impact on whole EvE. How big that impact will be - I don't know. could be small, marginal even but on the other hand it could be big.

About changes - like I wrote few posts before - WE as the WH COMMUNITY will adapt. Whatever changes CCP will throw at us will trigger some new tactics or doctrines. those also will change and improve. Some ppl will go away, some will come to place deserted by leaving ones, but... Main issue here is HOW YOU ARE PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTING CHANGES CCP NOT CHANGES THEMSELVES.

Seriously ?

Ok, maybe CCP will read this, at least i am sure WH CSM is reading this.

Collapsing wh allow me to :

- Close our system if we want to farm or mine ore.
- Close a connexion we don't want if we can. If there is too many hostiles on that hole you cannot close it.
- Reroll the static to get a different content. Looking for, pve, pvp, HS or NS exit.
- Reroll the static because it is end of life and we don't know how many time is remaining.



Something between C1 and C6.



A small number because i am in a small corp.